WRWC Final - NZ Vs England
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@Damo said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@nostrildamus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
They do need to look at mauls. Don't mind a contrast of styles at all but a maul every 5 minutes? Also seems an adjudicational lottery to me and not a fair contest of the ball.
Yep I agree.
The issue isn't the idea of the mauls, its that the laws need tweaking/better enforcement.
The movement to the side where the mall spins, the players break their bind and change the point of attack is the one they should stop.
@kev said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Damo said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@nostrildamus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
They do need to look at mauls. Don't mind a contrast of styles at all but a maul every 5 minutes? Also seems an adjudicational lottery to me and not a fair contest of the ball.
Yep I agree.
The issue isn't the idea of the mauls, its that the laws need tweaking/better enforcement.
The movement to the side where the mall spins, the players break their bind and change the point of attack is the one they should stop.
What was frustrating was that after that break/splinter the ref allowed stagnant ball again after already calling “once” in the first part of the drive.
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By my count 4 missed conversions 1 missed penalty so 11 points left out there..
@nostrildamus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
By my count 4 missed conversions 1 missed penalty so 11 points left out there..
That's not how it works.
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@nostrildamus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
By my count 4 missed conversions 1 missed penalty so 11 points left out there..
That's not how it works.
@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@nostrildamus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
By my count 4 missed conversions 1 missed penalty so 11 points left out there..
That's not how it works.
It is for conversions.
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@chimoaus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
What is the rule when a maul splinters and they start a new maul with the players in front of the ball acting as a shield? This seemed to happen frequently where they would pivot, splinter and start a new maul.
I was going to ask as well. And it didn't look a thing of beauty.
@nostrildamus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@chimoaus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
What is the rule when a maul splinters and they start a new maul with the players in front of the ball acting as a shield? This seemed to happen frequently where they would pivot, splinter and start a new maul.
I was going to ask as well. And it didn't look a thing of beauty.
If a maul is called, it stays a maul until one of four things happens:
1 The ball or ball-carrier leaves the maul.
2 The ball is on the ground.
3 The ball is on or over the goal line.
4 An infringement of some kindSo if I form a maul and all the defenders leave, it is still a maul even if I have team mates ahead of me, until one of the above happens.
You're not allowed to pull people out of the maul to create this situation if you're the attacking side.
EDIT: in the case where it splinters off, you'll hear the ref call "same maul!"
EDIT 2: where I'm still bound to someone of course. If the ball carrier becomes unbound from everyone, it is maul over per point 1 above.
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@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@nostrildamus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
By my count 4 missed conversions 1 missed penalty so 11 points left out there..
That's not how it works.
It is for conversions.
@Kirwan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@nostrildamus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
By my count 4 missed conversions 1 missed penalty so 11 points left out there..
That's not how it works.
It is for conversions.
Nah. It's still sliding doors. Different score = different mindset.
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@nostrildamus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@chimoaus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
What is the rule when a maul splinters and they start a new maul with the players in front of the ball acting as a shield? This seemed to happen frequently where they would pivot, splinter and start a new maul.
I was going to ask as well. And it didn't look a thing of beauty.
If a maul is called, it stays a maul until one of four things happens:
1 The ball or ball-carrier leaves the maul.
2 The ball is on the ground.
3 The ball is on or over the goal line.
4 An infringement of some kindSo if I form a maul and all the defenders leave, it is still a maul even if I have team mates ahead of me, until one of the above happens.
You're not allowed to pull people out of the maul to create this situation if you're the attacking side.
EDIT: in the case where it splinters off, you'll hear the ref call "same maul!"
EDIT 2: where I'm still bound to someone of course. If the ball carrier becomes unbound from everyone, it is maul over per point 1 above.
@NTA said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@nostrildamus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@chimoaus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
What is the rule when a maul splinters and they start a new maul with the players in front of the ball acting as a shield? This seemed to happen frequently where they would pivot, splinter and start a new maul.
I was going to ask as well. And it didn't look a thing of beauty.
If a maul is called, it stays a maul until one of four things happens:
- The ball or ball-carrier leaves the maul.
- The ball is on the ground.
- The ball is on or over the goal line.
- An infringement of some kind
So if I form a maul and all the defenders leave, it is still a maul even if I have team mates ahead of me, until one of the above happens.
You're not allowed to pull people out of the maul to create this situation if you're the attacking side.
EDIT: in the case where it splinters off, you'll hear the ref call "same maul!"
Thanks for that, credit to England then, they seem to have made it an art form and it was very effective.
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@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Pretty odd England didn't take the 3 at the end and regroup. Arrogance eh...
Sarcasm?
They were basically mauling tries at will from the 22. Go for the win and don't risk bounce of the ball in 20 minutes of ET.
They made a really bad call on the throw and paid the price. The red card was almost irrelevant at that point.
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@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Pretty odd England didn't take the 3 at the end and regroup. Arrogance eh...
Sarcasm?
They were basically mauling tries at will from the 22. Go for the win and don't risk bounce of the ball in 20 minutes of ET.
They made a really bad call on the throw and paid the price. The red card was almost irrelevant at that point.
@NTA said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Pretty odd England didn't take the 3 at the end and regroup. Arrogance eh...
Sarcasm?
They were basically mauling tries at will from the 22. Go for the win and don't risk bounce of the ball in 20 minutes of ET.
They made a really bad call on the throw and paid the price. The red card was almost irrelevant at that point.
Their lineout had been deteriorating, I guess maybe the lineout was the right option if they didn't go 2, but that hadn't worked for them in a loooong time.
Thier best bet was to play out for penalties imo.
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@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Pretty odd England didn't take the 3 at the end and regroup. Arrogance eh...
Don’t think they had the fitness for extrA time.
@Kirwan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Pretty odd England didn't take the 3 at the end and regroup. Arrogance eh...
Don’t think they had the fitness for extrA time.
Maybe, but only if they gave the ball back. They probably could've ground it out.
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@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
How was Alphonse been here the whole world cup and thinks Ngan-Woo is Nagawoo
She's awful isn't she? The Miles Harrison of Women's rugby.
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@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
How was Alphonse been here the whole world cup and thinks Ngan-Woo is Nagawoo
She's awful isn't she? The Miles Harrison of Women's rugby.
@Victor-Meldrew said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
How was Alphonse been here the whole world cup and thinks Ngan-Woo is Nagawoo
She's awful isn't she? The Miles Harrison of Women's rugby.
The fucking flip flopping about how NZ don't do this and should do that then doing a 180 2 minutes later was doing my head in.
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@canefan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Watching the BFs win the RWC with CF Sr and mum, and CF Jr. Pretty special
Was actually watching it with Mrs Dan, and I have to say to see her dance around the floor in tears at end has given me much joy. She's only a little thing to but when she leapt into my arms I suddenly remembered how old I was, just about knocked me over! Really good stuff I think!
@Dan54 said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@canefan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Watching the BFs win the RWC with CF Sr and mum, and CF Jr. Pretty special
Was actually watching it with Mrs Dan, and I have to say to see her dance around the floor in tears at end has given me much joy. She's only a little thing to but when she leapt into my arms I suddenly remembered how old I was, just about knocked me over! Really good stuff I think!
You must give us an update at some point...
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Either someone was playing very dangerously with fate, or NZR's art department are quick workers.
@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Either someone was playing very dangerously with fate, or NZR's art department are quick workers.
Or just maybe they premade two options?
