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All Blacks v England

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    Want to see more of this Eddie Jones come Saturday.

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    • FrankF Frank

      Want to see more of this Eddie Jones come Saturday.

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      @Frank said in All Blacks v England:

      Want to see more of this Eddie Jones come Saturday.

      Is he ranting that the most blatant not supporting weight/hands on ground not ball penalty I've seen this year is not a penalty? I hope he's just swearing at the idiot who did it!

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        Maybe ALB looking slow at centre is two fold.

        1.Match fitness usually takes a lot of games after a long lay off to get back to speed .

        2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

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        • ChrisC Chris

          Maybe ALB looking slow at centre is two fold.

          1.Match fitness usually takes a lot of games after a long lay off to get back to speed .

          2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

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          @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

          Maybe ALB looking slow at centre is two fold.

          1.Match fitness usually takes a lot of games after a long lay off to get back to speed .

          2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

          I'm not sure he was that slow either, more rusty and looks more comfortable at 12.

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          • KirwanK Kirwan

            @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

            Maybe ALB looking slow at centre is two fold.

            1.Match fitness usually takes a lot of games after a long lay off to get back to speed .

            2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

            I'm not sure he was that slow either, more rusty and looks more comfortable at 12.

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            @Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:

            @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

            Maybe ALB looking slow at centre is two fold.

            1.Match fitness usually takes a lot of games after a long lay off to get back to speed .

            2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

            I'm not sure he was that slow either, more rusty and looks more comfortable at 12.

            He looked sluggish to me which is understandable,Anyone playing 13 is going to look slow compared to Reiko though,I think he will get better and can cover 13 and 12 perfect for a WC squad.

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            • ChrisC Chris

              @Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:

              @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

              Maybe ALB looking slow at centre is two fold.

              1.Match fitness usually takes a lot of games after a long lay off to get back to speed .

              2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

              I'm not sure he was that slow either, more rusty and looks more comfortable at 12.

              He looked sluggish to me which is understandable,Anyone playing 13 is going to look slow compared to Reiko though,I think he will get better and can cover 13 and 12 perfect for a WC squad.

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              Kirwan
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              @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

              @Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:

              @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

              Maybe ALB looking slow at centre is two fold.

              1.Match fitness usually takes a lot of games after a long lay off to get back to speed .

              2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

              I'm not sure he was that slow either, more rusty and looks more comfortable at 12.

              He looked sluggish to me which is understandable,Anyone playing 13 is going to look slow compared to Reiko though,I think he will get better and can cover 13 and 12 perfect for a WC squad.

              And a match day 23 out of a WC.

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              • KirwanK Kirwan

                @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

                @Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:

                @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

                Maybe ALB looking slow at centre is two fold.

                1.Match fitness usually takes a lot of games after a long lay off to get back to speed .

                2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

                I'm not sure he was that slow either, more rusty and looks more comfortable at 12.

                He looked sluggish to me which is understandable,Anyone playing 13 is going to look slow compared to Reiko though,I think he will get better and can cover 13 and 12 perfect for a WC squad.

                And a match day 23 out of a WC.

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                @Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:

                @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

                @Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:

                @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

                Maybe ALB looking slow at centre is two fold.

                1.Match fitness usually takes a lot of games after a long lay off to get back to speed .

                2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

                I'm not sure he was that slow either, more rusty and looks more comfortable at 12.

                He looked sluggish to me which is understandable,Anyone playing 13 is going to look slow compared to Reiko though,I think he will get better and can cover 13 and 12 perfect for a WC squad.

                And a match day 23 out of a WC.

                Yep that too.

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                  Eddie Jones has built a pretty good record against the All Blacks

                  As head coach:

                  Team Years Wins Losses
                  Wallabies 2001-2005 5 6
                  Japan 2012-2015 0 1
                  England 2016-2022 1 1
                  Overall 2001-2022 6 8
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                  • ChrisC Chris

                    Maybe ALB looking slow at centre is two fold.

                    1.Match fitness usually takes a lot of games after a long lay off to get back to speed .

                    2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

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                    @Chris said in All Blacks v England:

                    2.Reiko is redefining how we look at a centre now, express speed in the middle of the park is a big point of difference in the modern game.

                    Yeah, look at SR and how many 13's have experience on the wing too. Ioane, Heem, Sullivan, PUJ, Ennor, LF etc

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                      Just a shout out for DeGroot ST and Lomax. I highly doubt a year ago anyone would have picked that as the front row likely to start vs England.

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                        It's strange that NZ and England have played each other so little since RWC 2015.

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                        • FrankF Frank

                          Want to see more of this Eddie Jones come Saturday.

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                          @Frank said in All Blacks v England:

                          Want to see more of this Eddie Jones come Saturday.

                          What's with England playing in black? Their Netball chicks did it too. I can't recall it being a thing before. Am I forgetting something?

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                            @Frank said in All Blacks v England:

                            Want to see more of this Eddie Jones come Saturday.

                            Is he ranting that the most blatant not supporting weight/hands on ground not ball penalty I've seen this year is not a penalty? I hope he's just swearing at the idiot who did it!

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                            ACT Crusader
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                            @Machpants I’m no expert lip reader but I think he said How stupid are we? with some colour in between

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                            • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                              @Frank said in All Blacks v England:

                              Want to see more of this Eddie Jones come Saturday.

                              What's with England playing in black? Their Netball chicks did it too. I can't recall it being a thing before. Am I forgetting something?

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                              @Crazy-Horse its at least been a thing for their change strip since 2011 RWC

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                                @Crazy-Horse its at least been a thing for their change strip since 2011 RWC

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                                @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:

                                @Crazy-Horse its at least been a thing for their away jersey since 2011 RWC

                                Really? Shows how much I watch England play!

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                                • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                  @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:

                                  @Crazy-Horse its at least been a thing for their away jersey since 2011 RWC

                                  Really? Shows how much I watch England play!

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                                  @Crazy-Horse i really only remember it because some people made a big deal, "england wear black in NZ, trying to emulate NZ mana" kind of shit, same kind of stuff they said when france went to the really dark blue

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                                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                    @Crazy-Horse and that might be the problem, playing at 13 in that formation with Havili inside...the role feels more like a finisher/speedster...role....which he isn't. so he might need to play outside someone like JB (so if ALB makes a break he can go in OR out to finishers) or inside RI (act as a more obvious second playmaker)

                                    edit: i think a lot of my frustrations with fozzie is i dont believe he looks enough at, or dont understand his thinking behind, the combinations he selects, it does often feel like he views every position in isolation and not always how a player can perform in a role with the other people he's selected around them

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                                    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                      I’d stick with EDG, Sami and Lomax to start and have the Saders trio off the bench.

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                                      @ACT-Crusader I'm not sold on Newell. Good in the scrum but he is slow as a slug. I would have Bower in their and Ofa.

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                                      • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                        Given how well Telea played maybe there is another decent wing out there?

                                        We still lack a spare 13 behind Ioane if ALB no longer suits there.
                                        From what I saw of the AB XV Big Leicester would at least add a bit of oomph.

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                                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:

                                        Given how well Telea played maybe there is another decent wing out there?

                                        We still lack a spare 13 behind Ioane if ALB no longer suits there.
                                        From what I saw of the AB XV Big Leicester would at least add a bit of oomph.

                                        Cough Shaun Stevenson cough

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                                        • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                          @Chris-B there’s a couple ways it could go with 2nd 5 / centre / fullback

                                          Jordie / Ioane / Beaudie. ALB bench
                                          ALB / Ioane / Jordie. Beaudie bench
                                          Jordie / ALB / Beaudie. Ioane wing
                                          Havili / Ioane / Jordie. Beaudie and ALB bench

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                                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v England:

                                          @Chris-B there’s a couple ways it could go with 2nd 5 / centre / fullback

                                          Jordie / Ioane / Beaudie. ALB bench
                                          ALB / Ioane / Jordie. Beaudie bench
                                          Jordie / ALB / Beaudie. Ioane wing
                                          Havili / Ioane / Jordie. Beaudie and ALB bench

                                          Yeah - and in fact my bench would allow us to change to several of those configurations if things turn to shit.

                                          It just looks a bit to me to me like Fozzie's been building ALB back with a view to starting this game, while at the same time using Clarke up.

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