All Blacks v England
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:
@Crazy-Horse its at least been a thing for their away jersey since 2011 RWC
Really? Shows how much I watch England play!
@Crazy-Horse i really only remember it because some people made a big deal, "england wear black in NZ, trying to emulate NZ mana" kind of shit, same kind of stuff they said when france went to the really dark blue
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@Crazy-Horse and that might be the problem, playing at 13 in that formation with Havili inside...the role feels more like a finisher/speedster...role....which he isn't. so he might need to play outside someone like JB (so if ALB makes a break he can go in OR out to finishers) or inside RI (act as a more obvious second playmaker)
edit: i think a lot of my frustrations with fozzie is i dont believe he looks enough at, or dont understand his thinking behind, the combinations he selects, it does often feel like he views every position in isolation and not always how a player can perform in a role with the other people he's selected around them
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I’d stick with EDG, Sami and Lomax to start and have the Saders trio off the bench.
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Given how well Telea played maybe there is another decent wing out there?
We still lack a spare 13 behind Ioane if ALB no longer suits there.
From what I saw of the AB XV Big Leicester would at least add a bit of oomph.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
Given how well Telea played maybe there is another decent wing out there?
We still lack a spare 13 behind Ioane if ALB no longer suits there.
From what I saw of the AB XV Big Leicester would at least add a bit of oomph.Cough Shaun Stevenson cough
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@Chris-B there’s a couple ways it could go with 2nd 5 / centre / fullback
Jordie / Ioane / Beaudie. ALB bench
ALB / Ioane / Jordie. Beaudie bench
Jordie / ALB / Beaudie. Ioane wing
Havili / Ioane / Jordie. Beaudie and ALB bench@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B there’s a couple ways it could go with 2nd 5 / centre / fullback
Jordie / Ioane / Beaudie. ALB bench
ALB / Ioane / Jordie. Beaudie bench
Jordie / ALB / Beaudie. Ioane wing
Havili / Ioane / Jordie. Beaudie and ALB benchYeah - and in fact my bench would allow us to change to several of those configurations if things turn to shit.
It just looks a bit to me to me like Fozzie's been building ALB back with a view to starting this game, while at the same time using Clarke up.
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@Machpants I’m no expert lip reader but I think he said How stupid are we? with some colour in between
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v England:
@Machpants I’m no expert lip reader but I think he said How stupid are we? with some colour in between
I do lip read a bit , im a bit deaf ,
Thats what he said IMO
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@ACT-Crusader I'm not sold on Newell. Good in the scrum but he is slow as a slug. I would have Bower in their and Ofa.
@broughie said in All Blacks v England:
@ACT-Crusader I'm not sold on Newell. Good in the scrum but he is slow as a slug. I would have Bower in their and Ofa.
If Newell is a slug, Ofa is a snail!
Ofa’s mobility especially with ball in hand has dropped off the cliff considerably.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v England:
@ACT-Crusader I'm not sold on Newell. Good in the scrum but he is slow as a slug. I would have Bower in their and Ofa.
If Newell is a slug, Ofa is a snail!
Ofa’s mobility especially with ball in hand has dropped off the cliff considerably.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks Vs England:
Shame to win a RWC you need 3 good ones in a row
Even in 2015 we struggled against SA and didn't play well - just did enough.
2011 was the final... we really went into our shells after a few things didn't go our way.
2007 .... arguable about how well we played against the frogs, but we certainly went to pieces mentally.
Frankly, a lot of RWC is the draw. Look at SA 2007: Fiji Argentina England to win the thing...
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@ACT-Crusader I think you'll find it's a little bit better than Newhalls he is still young.
@broughie said in All Blacks v England:
@ACT-Crusader I think you'll find it's a little bit better than Newhalls he is still young.
I'm thoroughly unconvinced by that - Ofa's last couple of outings have been very undynamic.
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G. Bower, C. Taylor, F. Newell, T. Chief, S. Whitelock, S. Barrett, B. Harmon, T. Cane, T. Lander, R. Mo’unga, L. Fainga’anuku, B. Ennor, T. Blue, S. Reece, J. Barrett
Good balanced side. Plenty of grunt and hard workers up front and size in the backs.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v England:
@ACT-Crusader I think you'll find it's a little bit better than Newhalls he is still young.
I'm thoroughly unconvinced by that - Ofa's last couple of outings have been very undynamic.
@Bones I concede that Ofa is not as good as a couple of years ago. Don't remember Newell carting it up with any substantial impact and just an observation. Always willing to be corrected especially if I've offended those Cantabs who think everything forward must wear black and red.
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@Bones I concede that Ofa is not as good as a couple of years ago. Don't remember Newell carting it up with any substantial impact and just an observation. Always willing to be corrected especially if I've offended those Cantabs who think everything forward must wear black and red.
@broughie said in All Blacks v England:
@Bones I concede that Ofa is not as good as a couple of years ago. Don't remember Newell carting it up with any substantial impact and just an observation. Always willing to be corrected especially if I've offended those Cantabs who think everything forward must wear black and red.
Ofa is in the same category as Clarke, that away win against the Crusaders he was running like a back and powering through people at will. Never seen him so mobile.
Both seem to have struggled in the AB camp to being their Super form back to Test level. Part of that may be returning from injury, or just confidence, but the difference is marked.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v England:
@Bones I concede that Ofa is not as good as a couple of years ago. Don't remember Newell carting it up with any substantial impact and just an observation. Always willing to be corrected especially if I've offended those Cantabs who think everything forward must wear black and red.
Ofa is in the same category as Clarke, that away win against the Crusaders he was running like a back and powering through people at will. Never seen him so mobile.
Both seem to have struggled in the AB camp to being their Super form back to Test level. Part of that may be returning from injury, or just confidence, but the difference is marked.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan ahhh...so both should have played both games for the ABXV?
No, neither have been playing as badly as some have mentioned on here.
There is a nexus of negativity infecting some posters at the moment, they need a glass of enjoy your fucking sport.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan ahhh...so both should have played both games for the ABXV?
No, neither have been playing as badly as some have mentioned on here.
There is a nexus of negativity infecting some posters at the moment, they need a glass of enjoy your fucking sport.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan ahhh...so both should have played both games for the ABXV?
No, neither have been playing as badly as some have mentioned on here.
There is a nexus of negativity infecting some posters at the moment, they need a glass of enjoy your fucking sport.
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@Kirwan some posters eh! Disgraceful, very similar to those pesky some people.
Clarke has been worse than Havili, you don't seem to have a problem with negativity towards him. Go figure.
Ofa is well worth keeping though.
@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan some posters eh! Disgraceful, very similar to those pesky some people.
Clarke has been worse than Havili, you don't seem to have a problem with negativity towards him. Go figure.
Ofa is well worth keeping though.
Perhaps, Clarke has been more rocks and diamonds though - part of the reason it's been frustrating to watch him. He'll do an amazing take, or a 60min break, then fuck it up.
DH has been just really ineffective. That said, I still think DH should be in the WC squad, covering 10-15 similar to JB is just too useful. I just think he's the third best 12 in the squad now, and not a great bench option.
As for Clarke, he's so close to clicking and when he does we don't have other wingers with his good attributes, so I see why they are sticking with him. Reece has had his opportunity to take his spot and did....nothing.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan some posters eh! Disgraceful, very similar to those pesky some people.
Clarke has been worse than Havili, you don't seem to have a problem with negativity towards him. Go figure.
Ofa is well worth keeping though.
Perhaps, Clarke has been more rocks and diamonds though - part of the reason it's been frustrating to watch him. He'll do an amazing take, or a 60min break, then fuck it up.
DH has been just really ineffective. That said, I still think DH should be in the WC squad, covering 10-15 similar to JB is just too useful. I just think he's the third best 12 in the squad now, and not a great bench option.
As for Clarke, he's so close to clicking and when he does we don't have other wingers with his good attributes, so I see why they are sticking with him. Reece has had his opportunity to take his spot and did....nothing.
@Kirwan there's more and more rocks. I think his performance recently has probably been on a par to what saw Faingaanuku dropped, I'd be very tempted to give Leicester another go.
But I've said before I think Clarke has free reign to find something until the world cup selection.
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@Kirwan there's more and more rocks. I think his performance recently has probably been on a par to what saw Faingaanuku dropped, I'd be very tempted to give Leicester another go.
But I've said before I think Clarke has free reign to find something until the world cup selection.
@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan there's more and more rocks. I think his performance recently has probably been on a par to what saw Faingaanuku dropped, I'd be very tempted to give Leicester another go.
But I've said before I think Clarke has free reign to find something until the world cup selection.
That's the negativity nexus again, he's still doing plenty well - but people just talk about the mistakes - which is fine, but I'm happy to point out the positive and hope he sorts out whatever is going on with his balance.
I kind of think that Foster needs to tell him to be super selfish, sort of like Cullen, and if it's 1 on 1 don't look to link up just run over/around the defender.
