All Blacks v England
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@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
We have Jordie Barrett! Not to mention Mounga and Beauden should both be able to do it.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
We have Jordie Barrett! Not to mention Mounga and Beauden should both be able to do it.
Maybe I will rephrase, we have no one who is kicking for territory.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@kev said in All Blacks v England:
Our mindset is not to kick long. Never did it. Short kicking options in last 10 terrible.
Too many mistakes in first half left door open.
Laulala is a liability. His inability to get into defensive line created room for the try and yellow card. His selection just atrocitious.
Our players can't adjust the game plan based on the game situation. Kick short, if you want. Don't do it when you only have 14 players. Don't do it when you are defending a lead.
We are such a dream to play against. We crumble at the first sign of resistance.
It was time to drive up the middle, keep to touch and burn clock
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@kev said in All Blacks v England:
Our mindset is not to kick long. Never did it. Short kicking options in last 10 terrible.
Too many mistakes in first half left door open.
Laulala is a liability. His inability to get into defensive line created room for the try and yellow card. His selection just atrocitious.
Our players can't adjust the game plan based on the game situation. Kick short, if you want. Don't do it when you only have 14 players. Don't do it when you are defending a lead.
We are such a dream to play against. We crumble at the first sign of resistance.
It was time to drive up the middle, keep to touch and burn clock
We seem to somehow have lost our basic understanding of how to win a rugby match. Other teams only have to win games once, we have to win them five times over.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
We have Jordie Barrett! Not to mention Mounga and Beauden should both be able to do it.
Maybe I will rephrase, we have no one who is kicking for territory.
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
We have Jordie Barrett! Not to mention Mounga and Beauden should both be able to do it.
Maybe I will rephrase, we have no one who is kicking for territory.
And BB.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@kev said in All Blacks v England:
Our mindset is not to kick long. Never did it. Short kicking options in last 10 terrible.
Too many mistakes in first half left door open.
Laulala is a liability. His inability to get into defensive line created room for the try and yellow card. His selection just atrocitious.
Our players can't adjust the game plan based on the game situation. Kick short, if you want. Don't do it when you only have 14 players. Don't do it when you are defending a lead.
We are such a dream to play against. We crumble at the first sign of resistance.
It was time to drive up the middle, keep to touch and burn clock
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@kev said in All Blacks v England:
Our mindset is not to kick long. Never did it. Short kicking options in last 10 terrible.
Too many mistakes in first half left door open.
Laulala is a liability. His inability to get into defensive line created room for the try and yellow card. His selection just atrocitious.
Our players can't adjust the game plan based on the game situation. Kick short, if you want. Don't do it when you only have 14 players. Don't do it when you are defending a lead.
We are such a dream to play against. We crumble at the first sign of resistance.
It was time to drive up the middle, keep to touch and burn clock
The unpredictable nature of the ref may have played a part in the decision to kick. Then, because we did not have anyone in the backs at the time the decision was made to kick (they were all in or around the ruck) the only option was for TJ to kick.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer The poor pass to Ioane in the 1st half. Another in the 2nd half that led to a England penalty. He did some good things but struggled when he didn't have any space.
A high pass that any centre worth is salt should have taken. Ioane’s game is littered with errors. You combine him and Caleb Clarke and our mistake rate is too high.
@kev said in All Blacks v England:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer The poor pass to Ioane in the 1st half. Another in the 2nd half that led to a England penalty. He did some good things but struggled when he didn't have any space.
A high pass that any centre worth is salt should have taken. Ioane’s game is littered with errors. You combine him and Caleb Clarke and our mistake rate is too high.
Error rate between,Ioane , Mounga, Taylor and Clarke is way to high to consistently win games.
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England players bet their match fee on a draw. All Blacks bet theirs on an England win.
Advantage England.
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@kev said in All Blacks v England:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer The poor pass to Ioane in the 1st half. Another in the 2nd half that led to a England penalty. He did some good things but struggled when he didn't have any space.
A high pass that any centre worth is salt should have taken. Ioane’s game is littered with errors. You combine him and Caleb Clarke and our mistake rate is too high.
Error rate between,Ioane , Mounga, Taylor and Clarke is way to high to consistently win games.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
We have Jordie Barrett! Not to mention Mounga and Beauden should both be able to do it.
But we don't do it. That is the problem. Surely a tactical failing
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
We have Jordie Barrett! Not to mention Mounga and Beauden should both be able to do it.
But we don't do it. That is the problem. Surely a tactical failing
It is. The problem is it is all very well to have a game plan. What we cannot ever seem to do is adapt our game plan on the field to what is in front of us. That's why Beauden Barrett will never be a great first-five for me. He just assesses every play based on what is on the field and not the game situation.
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Raynal would have blown a penalty in that last minute if we tried to run the clock I'm also certain.
@Frye said in All Blacks v England:
Raynal would have blown a penalty in that last minute if we tried to run the clock I'm also certain.
Nothing wrong with kicking. It's just that the type of kick was poor. It should have been a set up for Jordie to kick long.
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@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
At 12 he is more of a ball carrier I get that, but BB and Mounga have failed to lead the team around the park all year this was the worse example of that.
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England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
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Sinckler has just said the YC really helped them. Biggest takeaway for us as well as the urgent need of kicking and defence coaches was DISCIPLINE.
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It's been said ad nauseum but our issues stem from the defence. And not just the last 10 minutes of this game.
Realistically, who do we have available that's a good alternative to Mcleod? Fix that and things will look pretty good I reckon.
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England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
And fair enough too. Unreal comeback.
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Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
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@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
At 12 he is more of a ball carrier I get that, but BB and Mounga have failed to lead the team around the park all year this was the worse example of that.
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
At 12 he is more of a ball carrier I get that, but BB and Mounga have failed to lead the team around the park all year this was the worse example of that.
We created more than enough in first half to have smashed them. Then our players don’t know how to close - no long kicking game. They need to fix their tactics.
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It's been said ad nauseum but our issues stem from the defence. And not just the last 10 minutes of this game.
Realistically, who do we have available that's a good alternative to Mcleod? Fix that and things will look pretty good I reckon.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v England:
It's been said ad nauseum but our issues stem from the defence. And not just the last 10 minutes of this game.
Realistically, who do we have available that's a good alternative to Mcleod? Fix that and things will look pretty good I reckon.
How that clown survived the chop is beyond me. Apparently he didn't review well last year too. I would have gone with Mitchell as soon as he parted ways with England.
