All Blacks v England
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England players bet their match fee on a draw. All Blacks bet theirs on an England win.
Advantage England.
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@kev said in All Blacks v England:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer The poor pass to Ioane in the 1st half. Another in the 2nd half that led to a England penalty. He did some good things but struggled when he didn't have any space.
A high pass that any centre worth is salt should have taken. Ioane’s game is littered with errors. You combine him and Caleb Clarke and our mistake rate is too high.
Error rate between,Ioane , Mounga, Taylor and Clarke is way to high to consistently win games.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
We have Jordie Barrett! Not to mention Mounga and Beauden should both be able to do it.
But we don't do it. That is the problem. Surely a tactical failing
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
We have Jordie Barrett! Not to mention Mounga and Beauden should both be able to do it.
But we don't do it. That is the problem. Surely a tactical failing
It is. The problem is it is all very well to have a game plan. What we cannot ever seem to do is adapt our game plan on the field to what is in front of us. That's why Beauden Barrett will never be a great first-five for me. He just assesses every play based on what is on the field and not the game situation.
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Raynal would have blown a penalty in that last minute if we tried to run the clock I'm also certain.
@Frye said in All Blacks v England:
Raynal would have blown a penalty in that last minute if we tried to run the clock I'm also certain.
Nothing wrong with kicking. It's just that the type of kick was poor. It should have been a set up for Jordie to kick long.
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@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
At 12 he is more of a ball carrier I get that, but BB and Mounga have failed to lead the team around the park all year this was the worse example of that.
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England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
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Sinckler has just said the YC really helped them. Biggest takeaway for us as well as the urgent need of kicking and defence coaches was DISCIPLINE.
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It's been said ad nauseum but our issues stem from the defence. And not just the last 10 minutes of this game.
Realistically, who do we have available that's a good alternative to Mcleod? Fix that and things will look pretty good I reckon.
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England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
And fair enough too. Unreal comeback.
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Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
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@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
At 12 he is more of a ball carrier I get that, but BB and Mounga have failed to lead the team around the park all year this was the worse example of that.
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
At 12 he is more of a ball carrier I get that, but BB and Mounga have failed to lead the team around the park all year this was the worse example of that.
We created more than enough in first half to have smashed them. Then our players don’t know how to close - no long kicking game. They need to fix their tactics.
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It's been said ad nauseum but our issues stem from the defence. And not just the last 10 minutes of this game.
Realistically, who do we have available that's a good alternative to Mcleod? Fix that and things will look pretty good I reckon.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v England:
It's been said ad nauseum but our issues stem from the defence. And not just the last 10 minutes of this game.
Realistically, who do we have available that's a good alternative to Mcleod? Fix that and things will look pretty good I reckon.
How that clown survived the chop is beyond me. Apparently he didn't review well last year too. I would have gone with Mitchell as soon as he parted ways with England.
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Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
The ref wasn't fine. Didn't favour either team, but the calls were so unpredictable both teams suffered.
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After 60 minutes I was about to come on and say how that we only scored via cross kicks and intercepts, but at least we were winning.
Then that happened. I hate Foster so much.
Our backs are good enough, but our back line is terrible.
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
The ref wasn't fine. Didn't favour either team, but the calls were so unpredictable both teams suffered.
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I thought the ref had a very good game, that last penalty against Whitelock for not rolling away was very harsh, though, he rolled pretty quickly. That first try for England was one of these where I thought the ref saying "no try" on field would have been the decider, but them's the breaks. Would have screamed for it to be given if it was an AB dotting that one down.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
And fair enough too. Unreal comeback.
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@Crazy-Horse Yep, and one try was given that should have been disallowed, because there was no conclusive evidence of a grounding.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
@Crazy-Horse Yep, and one try was given that should have been disallowed, because there was no conclusive evidence of a grounding.
Disagree re the grounding. I thought an angle showed the ball clearly on the line. They only showed the angle once soon after the try, but the ball definitely touched the line.
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
The ref wasn't fine. Didn't favour either team, but the calls were so unpredictable both teams suffered.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v England:
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
The ref wasn't fine. Didn't favour either team, but the calls were so unpredictable both teams suffered.
Yep. Needed to take him out of the game and did a brilliant job. Then bizarrely just did everything to try and bring England back, mind boggling, but not wholly unexpected.
