All Blacks v England
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The team's review of that last ten minute should be totally honest and utterly brutal. What went wrong frame by frame by frame. We've got 11 months how do we fix each and every thing that went wrong?
@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
The team's review of that last ten minute should be totally honest and utterly brutal. What went wrong frame by frame by frame. We've got 11 months how do we fix each and every thing that went wrong?
Agreed. But at least they now have a list of things they've successfully worked on and can tick off as no longer being a total disaster. I expected to lose this game so while disappointed we let them back in for the draw, the first 70 minutes was the best I've seen since we shellacked Ireland in the last RWC.
Plenty of work-ons, but real progress and momentum and a completely different on-field attitude for the most part. I actually have some optimism for RWC2023 where there was none 6 months ago.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v England:
@mencey said in All Blacks v England:
What the fuck Happened. AB went to sleep
same thing all season. Rocks and diamonds.
THat said, there's great building blocks there. Solid midfield, quality in the forward pack -- it's just mental now. Very much on the upward curve with the new coaching setup. I'm not disappointed at all
If you'd told me we'd draw against England on the EOYT, I'd have been more than happy.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v England:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v England:
@mencey said in All Blacks v England:
What the fuck Happened. AB went to sleep
same thing all season. Rocks and diamonds.
THat said, there's great building blocks there. Solid midfield, quality in the forward pack -- it's just mental now. Very much on the upward curve with the new coaching setup. I'm not disappointed at all
If you'd told me we'd draw against England on the EOYT, I'd have been more than happy.
What if I told you that an hour ago…?
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You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
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@junior said in All Blacks v England:
@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
Why did Marcus Smuth kick that out?
Because he is a coward
To be honest at that stage of the game I was worried they would go the length of the pitch again. Maybe a good thing for us that he kicked it out. We could have lost and that would have been even more embarrassing.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v England:
England were under the pump till the 71st minute, but the ABs should have nailed the coffin long before. There were costly errors when the NZ forwards were destroying their English counterparts : two crooked throws by Taylor and two missed kicks by RM after favorable penalties.
You didn't think the ST crooked throw after a penalty was a bit costly?
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v England:
@cgrant said in All Blacks v England:
England were under the pump till the 71st minute, but the ABs should have nailed the coffin long before. There were costly errors when the NZ forwards were destroying their English counterparts : two crooked throws by Taylor and two missed kicks by RM after favorable penalties.
You didn't think the ST crooked throw after a penalty was a bit costly?
It's those little fuck-ups when we have momentum which has bitten us on the arse time and time again. I console myself that they are getting fewer and fewer.
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You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
To be fair RM and SW both looked like someone had kicked their cat in the interviews. And the team looked like they were at a wake
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You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
Again totally agree. Fucking sickening !!
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You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
Exactly. Fuck the World Cup. They are won by whoever gets the fluke of the draw, and next year's edition will be the worst one yet. I care about winning test matches. Those of us living in England have had to put up with so much shit since we lost to them in 2019. 4 years since we last played at Twickenham and we fucked a golden opportunity to win there. I'm fuming.
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
To be fair RM and SW both looked like someone had kicked their cat in the interviews. And the team looked like they were at a wake
@canefan So they fuckin should.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
The team's review of that last ten minute should be totally honest and utterly brutal. What went wrong frame by frame by frame. We've got 11 months how do we fix each and every thing that went wrong?
Agreed. But at least they now have a list of things they've successfully worked on and can tick off as no longer being a total disaster. I expected to lose this game so while disappointed we let them back in for the draw, the first 70 minutes was the best I've seen since we shellacked Ireland in the last RWC.
Plenty of work-ons, but real progress and momentum and a completely different on-field attitude for the most part. I actually have some optimism for RWC2023 where there was none 6 months ago.
@Victor-Meldrew Yep, we're in a much better position than the start of August.
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
To be fair RM and SW both looked like someone had kicked their cat in the interviews. And the team looked like they were at a wake
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@canefan yes, they did. Which is good. But does Foster think the same way? Does he have the balls to drop BB? Just one example.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan yes, they did. Which is good. But does Foster think the same way? Does he have the balls to drop BB? Just one example.
He is loyal to a fault. We will see if he deals with BB and SC
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v England:
@cgrant said in All Blacks v England:
England were under the pump till the 71st minute, but the ABs should have nailed the coffin long before. There were costly errors when the NZ forwards were destroying their English counterparts : two crooked throws by Taylor and two missed kicks by RM after favorable penalties.
You didn't think the ST crooked throw after a penalty was a bit costly?
It's those little fuck-ups when we have momentum which has bitten us on the arse time and time again. I console myself that they are getting fewer and fewer.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v England:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v England:
@cgrant said in All Blacks v England:
England were under the pump till the 71st minute, but the ABs should have nailed the coffin long before. There were costly errors when the NZ forwards were destroying their English counterparts : two crooked throws by Taylor and two missed kicks by RM after favorable penalties.
You didn't think the ST crooked throw after a penalty was a bit costly?
It's those little fuck-ups when we have momentum which has bitten us on the arse time and time again. I console myself that they are getting fewer and fewer.
Not sure they are.
We kept fucking up when we had the chance to shut the game down.
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan yes, they did. Which is good. But does Foster think the same way? Does he have the balls to drop BB? Just one example.
He is loyal to a fault. We will see if he deals with BB and SC
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@Bovidae I actually liked RM's running game and his game management was excellent. Yes, two missed touch finders, but overall a good game.
It seems people have already forgotten that we were playing well until the 70th minute.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
@Bovidae I actually liked RM's running game and his game management was excellent. Yes, two missed touch finders, but overall a good game.
It seems people have already forgotten that we were playing well until the 70th minute.
No the game management was basically down to Smith running his forwards hard and straight, in combination with Jordie also going up the guts. It was also Jordie and BB who did all those cross kicks that did well. RM was basically a non entity save for when he was given the ball and ran around like a 10 year old
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You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
You've put your finger on what I've hated about the later Hansen and Foster eras. Accepting failure. A Grizz Wylie or Laurie Mains team would have been terrified coming off the paddock after blowing a lead like that knowing the utter bollocking that was coming their way. Tomorrow morning would be tackling practice until they passed out.
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The composition of the bench was stupid. If you do not want to play Havili until the last minute (and he came in only because of TJP's injury), then why not have chosen a 6 : 2 split ? Barrett was replaced by Frizell, which left BBBR and SW on the field for 80 minutes. Their legs just could not follow the rythm during the last quarter. A lock (Vaai'i) should have been named on the bench.
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If it had been the other Sam captaining for the last ten minutes of this game, the Fern would have completely melted down...
@Donsteppa we ignore those points
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
You know what, I don't give a shit about the World Cup. I care that our mana is being damaged here every other test by Foster and co. Test matches are important. It was all lovely and fluffy to hear Richie talk about the team culture, but what the hell happened to the AB coach that put the fear of god into you that losing is just not acceptable. If you play badly, kiss your position goodbye. You're not AB material. This woke world of accepting failure is destroying the All Blacks. We will be just another team in less than 2 years if this crap keeps up.
You've put your finger on what I've hated about the later Hansen and Foster eras. Accepting failure. A Grizz Wylie or Laurie Mains team would have been terrified coming off the paddock after blowing a lead like that knowing the utter bollocking that was coming their way. Tomorrow morning would be tackling practice until they passed out.
@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
Laurie Mains
Only Laurie Mains - 23 wins from 34 tests at 67.65 percent - holds a worse record as All Blacks coach in the World Cup era
Waaaaiiit a miiiinute...
