ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?
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@OomPB said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
@DaGrubster it's not about the quality, it's more then that. The Lions struggled in the first few years but improved and now they top the CC log.
https://rugby365.com/tournaments/united-rugby-championship/urcs-contribution-to-bok-domination/
and the refs. The first year it was all about adopting to their way.
Exposure and ultimately to the refs has to be advantageous. After a while you know their tendencies, and perhaps they start to subconsciously give you the benefit of the doubt
@canefan we had a rough start in year 1, all our teams was at the bottom of the log after touring. The other is the crowds. It's totally different then Superrugby. Smaller stadia except Leinster and Munster and very passionate. No booing when the kicker lines up. Old fashion rugby culture and passion.
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@OomPB said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
@DaGrubster it's not about the quality, it's more then that. The Lions struggled in the first few years but improved and now they top the CC log.
https://rugby365.com/tournaments/united-rugby-championship/urcs-contribution-to-bok-domination/
and the refs. The first year it was all about adopting to their way.
Exposure and ultimately to the refs has to be advantageous. After a while you know their tendencies, and perhaps they start to subconsciously give you the benefit of the doubt
@canefan said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
@OomPB said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
@DaGrubster it's not about the quality, it's more then that. The Lions struggled in the first few years but improved and now they top the CC log.
https://rugby365.com/tournaments/united-rugby-championship/urcs-contribution-to-bok-domination/
and the refs. The first year it was all about adopting to their way.
Exposure and ultimately to the refs has to be advantageous. After a while you know their tendencies, and perhaps they start to subconsciously give you the benefit of the doubt
Yes, that is one the big advantage of them playing in the URC to me.
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Don't discard the travel
Getting used to long distance travel and being away from home for a couple of weeks gives an advantage
Especially to less experienced players
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Don't discard the travel
Getting used to long distance travel and being away from home for a couple of weeks gives an advantage
Especially to less experienced players
@MiketheSnow said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
Don't discard the travel
Getting used to long distance travel and being away from home for a couple of weeks gives an advantage
Especially to less experienced players
They were already travelling for SR though
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@MiketheSnow said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
Don't discard the travel
Getting used to long distance travel and being away from home for a couple of weeks gives an advantage
Especially to less experienced players
They were already travelling for SR though
@canefan said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
@MiketheSnow said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
Don't discard the travel
Getting used to long distance travel and being away from home for a couple of weeks gives an advantage
Especially to less experienced players
They were already travelling for SR though
Yeh, they always said one of the reasons the wanted to leave (before they actually left @African-Monkey) was that the travel was easy going north-south than west-east.
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@DaGrubster Didn't the NZRU look at something like this years back with Saracens? I think the South Africans took the initiative with Saracens (bankrolled by Johann Rupert)
@stodders said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
@DaGrubster Didn't the NZRU look at something like this years back with Saracens? I think the South Africans took the initiative with Saracens (bankrolled by Johann Rupert)
i thought it was Quins...but yeah, something was announced and i thought we were going to take control of giving coaches and players experience in other leagues....dont think i saw anything come out of it after it was announced
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I been interested to read the argument for open selection policy etc because it works for Boks and Pumas. Boks are No 2 in world so works for them, but the rest of top 5 work on playing for local teams, Ireland at No 1, NZ, England and France do.
I just think the arguments about Boks and Pumas don't really hold water. I think it's more what works for each country!
I honestly think the rules we have at moment are pretty good, there is enough flexibility from NZR (not sure what others use)tc at moment. -
I been interested to read the argument for open selection policy etc because it works for Boks and Pumas. Boks are No 2 in world so works for them, but the rest of top 5 work on playing for local teams, Ireland at No 1, NZ, England and France do.
I just think the arguments about Boks and Pumas don't really hold water. I think it's more what works for each country!
I honestly think the rules we have at moment are pretty good, there is enough flexibility from NZR (not sure what others use)tc at moment.@Dan54 said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
I been interested to read the argument for open selection policy etc because it works for Boks and Pumas. Boks are No 2 in world so works for them, but the rest of top 5 work on playing for local teams, Ireland at No 1, NZ, England and France do.
I just think the arguments about Boks and Pumas don't really hold water. I think it's more what works for each country!
I honestly think the rules we have at moment are pretty good, there is enough flexibility from NZR (not sure what others use)tc at moment.I don't think many people are worried about it harming the All Blacks, they're worried about it harming the domestic game.
Also worth noting that South Africa have only had this carte blanche approach for a few years. Once they've cycled through a generation of players who played their formative rugby in South Africa, their situation might be different (but might not). The bigger thing is still the domestic game.
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@Dan54 said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
I been interested to read the argument for open selection policy etc because it works for Boks and Pumas. Boks are No 2 in world so works for them, but the rest of top 5 work on playing for local teams, Ireland at No 1, NZ, England and France do.
I just think the arguments about Boks and Pumas don't really hold water. I think it's more what works for each country!
I honestly think the rules we have at moment are pretty good, there is enough flexibility from NZR (not sure what others use)tc at moment.I don't think many people are worried about it harming the All Blacks, they're worried about it harming the domestic game.
Also worth noting that South Africa have only had this carte blanche approach for a few years. Once they've cycled through a generation of players who played their formative rugby in South Africa, their situation might be different (but might not). The bigger thing is still the domestic game.
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I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
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I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
I think I've been had
What a lame arse fluffybunny, picked shit players so he can play 'I need overseas players' card
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
So he obviously wants Richie Mounga, Frizzell, LF etc before they officially return.
The dumb fuck doesn't need most of those guys. Wallace has already performed to a higher level in black than Frizell ever had. And given the chance Lakai will do too
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
So he obviously wants Richie Mounga, Frizzell, LF etc before they officially return.
Bollocks. Razor obviously got wind that many on the Fern are not happy with him, so he is paving the way to select Akira, Sotutu and Plummer.
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I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
Fuck no I am dead against picking overseas players.It will be the death nail of our competitions imo.
If players want to come back no problems but play in our competitions to be selected.
It sounds like Razor wants to keep Cane ffs.
Stupid idea Razor get your shit together and promote the players we have playing locally and players who return to play locally. -
I was hoping that was just another sensational media headline
But no, that's the AB coach wanting players who left NZ, in black and white.
That's fucking disgraceful.
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Just NO to overseas players. Yes if they play super rugby even in Australia. Find a way somehow to get Japan back into super rugby.
