All Blacks 2023
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I wouldn't write off Fakatava yet. He's returning from a big injury and I expect him to get better and better during the season.
@Stargazer the biggest problem he has i think is hunt is making him (the whole backline) look average, fakatava did look more smith like against the force though, fast to the breakdown, even tried a dummy and tested the defence in close which was good
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@Stargazer the biggest problem he has i think is hunt is making him (the whole backline) look average, fakatava did look more smith like against the force though, fast to the breakdown, even tried a dummy and tested the defence in close which was good
@Kiwiwomble Mikaele-Tu'u returning (hopefully soon) might make a big difference, too.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial roigard will not b at world cup
Far too early to say. Injuries happen. Fakatava is living proof of poorly timed broken-ness.
3 halfbacks and 5 genuine contenders IMO
Is the law variation about 9s not allowed past tunnel in play?
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial roigard will not b at world cup
So far....you're a reliable contrary indicator.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial roigard will not b at world cup
Far too early to say. Injuries happen. Fakatava is living proof of poorly timed broken-ness.
3 halfbacks and 5 genuine contenders IMO
Is the law variation about 9s not allowed past tunnel in play?
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial roigard will not b at world cup
Far too early to say. Injuries happen. Fakatava is living proof of poorly timed broken-ness.
3 halfbacks and 5 genuine contenders IMO
Is the law variation about 9s not allowed past tunnel in play?
No that's a SR thing
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial roigard will not b at world cup
Far too early to say. Injuries happen. Fakatava is living proof of poorly timed broken-ness.
3 halfbacks and 5 genuine contenders IMO
Is the law variation about 9s not allowed past tunnel in play?
No that's a SR thing
@Machpants roigard is about 8th on list need alot of injuries his time will come tho
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial roigard will not b at world cup
Far too early to say. Injuries happen. Fakatava is living proof of poorly timed broken-ness.
3 halfbacks and 5 genuine contenders IMO
Is the law variation about 9s not allowed past tunnel in play?
No that's a SR thing
@Machpants hearing that fozzy and Joe r really keen on another 9 who has got something different to smith and co
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@Machpants roigard is about 8th on list need alot of injuries his time will come tho
@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants roigard is about 8th on list need alot of injuries his time will come tho
who are the other 7?
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Doesn't need lights to play at night?
Christie can't give anyone confidence that he can play calmly and make good decisions. On current form, if he goes ahead of Roigard, we're fucked.
My RWC nightmare is a knockout game with Aaron injured and the Blues halves starting.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Doesn't need lights to play at night?
Christie can't give anyone confidence that he can play calmly and make good decisions. On current form, if he goes ahead of Roigard, we're fucked.
My RWC nightmare is a knockout game with Aaron injured and the Blues halves starting.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
My RWC nightmare is a knockout game with Aaron injured and the Blues halves starting.
I used to have a recurring nightmare about Donald lining up to kick the winning penalty goal in the RWC and hey! That actually worked out ok in RL - so you never know
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants roigard is about 8th on list need alot of injuries his time will come tho
who are the other 7?
@Kiwiwomble smith, fakatava,Christie,perenara,Webber,Cortez ratima (highly rated),and the next bolter and your guy who has some work to do
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants roigard is about 8th on list need alot of injuries his time will come tho
who are the other 7?
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants roigard is about 8th on list need alot of injuries his time will come tho
who are the other 7?
Smith
Christie
Weber
Fakatava
Someone (TJP)
Someone
Someone
RoigardI can't fill those other two spots. Going by EOYT with ABs and AB XV (plus injured) Roigard would sixth.
After Super I would say 4th or 5th depending on TJs for/opportunities.
Roigard outshining Fakatava at the moment (better ride though, I admit)Whatever the case it is pretty stupid to declare an absolute at this stage especially when your track record on absolute statements is so shocking.
Edit: I like the look of Ratima but he is well behind Roigard in performance and selection.
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@Kiwiwomble smith, fakatava,Christie,perenara,Webber,Cortez ratima (highly rated),and the next bolter and your guy who has some work to do
@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble smith, fakatava,Christie,perenara,Webber,Cortez ratima (highly rated),and the next bolter and your guy who has some work to do
So he's seventh on a list that contains a mystery person? OK.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble smith, fakatava,Christie,perenara,Webber,Cortez ratima (highly rated),and the next bolter and your guy who has some work to do
So he's seventh on a list that contains a mystery person? OK.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble smith, fakatava,Christie,perenara,Webber,Cortez ratima (highly rated),and the next bolter and your guy who has some work to do
So he's seventh on a list that contains a mystery person? OK.
yeah, beat me too it
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@Kiwiwomble smith, fakatava,Christie,perenara,Webber,Cortez ratima (highly rated),and the next bolter and your guy who has some work to do
@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble smith, fakatava,Christie,perenara,Webber,Cortez ratima (highly rated),and the next bolter and your guy who has some work to do
that makes sense to you?....you would put some hypothetical person that even you admit needs work...ahead of someone actually doing well, not even just making up the numbers, in super rugby....i no you can do better than that man
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble smith, fakatava,Christie,perenara,Webber,Cortez ratima (highly rated),and the next bolter and your guy who has some work to do
So he's seventh on a list that contains a mystery person? OK.
yeah, beat me too it
@Kiwiwomble I said about 8th could b 7th or less or even more just take a look around I no for a fact joe Schmidt has 9 which I haven't included who he rates very high and could or should or maybe a big bolter for abs and world cup time
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants roigard is about 8th on list need alot of injuries his time will come tho
who are the other 7?
Smith
Christie
Weber
Fakatava
Someone (TJP)
Someone
Someone
RoigardI can't fill those other two spots. Going by EOYT with ABs and AB XV (plus injured) Roigard would sixth.
After Super I would say 4th or 5th depending on TJs for/opportunities.
Roigard outshining Fakatava at the moment (better ride though, I admit)Whatever the case it is pretty stupid to declare an absolute at this stage especially when your track record on absolute statements is so shocking.
Edit: I like the look of Ratima but he is well behind Roigard in performance and selection.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Edit: I like the look of Ratima but he is well behind Roigard in performance and selection.
I wouldn't say "well behind" but Roigard was chosen for the AB XV ahead of Ratima, so must be rated above him by the selectors.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Edit: I like the look of Ratima but he is well behind Roigard in performance and selection.
I wouldn't say "well behind" but Roigard was chosen for the AB XV ahead of Ratima, so must be rated above him by the selectors.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Edit: I like the look of Ratima but he is well behind Roigard in performance and selection.
I wouldn't say "well behind" but Roigard was chosen for the AB XV ahead of Ratima, so must be rated above him by the selectors.
But then both ended up with a similar opportunity.
My comment was more about current form. Roigard is the form NZ halfback and Ratima a bencher. -
@Kiwiwomble I said about 8th could b 7th or less or even more just take a look around I no for a fact joe Schmidt has 9 which I haven't included who he rates very high and could or should or maybe a big bolter for abs and world cup time
