All Blacks 2023
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Interesting to see what they do with Cam, ideally you start him v Uruguay, off the bench v Italy...you just play him, there is no room for compassion and playing Christie from here, bar off the bench v Uruguay or if there is an injury.
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Interesting to see what they do with Cam, ideally you start him v Uruguay, off the bench v Italy...you just play him, there is no room for compassion and playing Christie from here, bar off the bench v Uruguay or if there is an injury.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
Interesting to see what they do with Cam, ideally you start him v Uruguay, off the bench v Italy...you just play him, there is no room for compassion and playing Christie from here, bar off the bench v Uruguay or if there is an injury.
My view is Cam's the best HB in the team. Potentially easy the best. But we don't know because of idiot coaches. That didn't start him against a top team in any recent tests
But it's not too late. Start him against Italy and see how he goes. If he continues to perform at his 2-test level then take the risk. I would do it at wing (1 only) and FB too. And maybe at 1st. Shame we don't have more options at 2nd 5 and center.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
Interesting to see what they do with Cam, ideally you start him v Uruguay, off the bench v Italy...you just play him, there is no room for compassion and playing Christie from here, bar off the bench v Uruguay or if there is an injury.
My view is Cam's the best HB in the team. Potentially easy the best. But we don't know because of idiot coaches. That didn't start him against a top team in any recent tests
But it's not too late. Start him against Italy and see how he goes. If he continues to perform at his 2-test level then take the risk. I would do it at wing (1 only) and FB too. And maybe at 1st. Shame we don't have more options at 2nd 5 and center.
@Winger I tend to agree as he will provide a threat for us Smith can't, but no way is Fozzie making such a radical change this late in the peice, I imagine he will already be torn between who to put on bench behind Smith...just hope he sees sense and at least puts him on the bench in big games...
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@Winger I tend to agree as he will provide a threat for us Smith can't, but no way is Fozzie making such a radical change this late in the peice, I imagine he will already be torn between who to put on bench behind Smith...just hope he sees sense and at least puts him on the bench in big games...
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@Winger I tend to agree as he will provide a threat for us Smith can't, but no way is Fozzie making such a radical change this late in the peice, I imagine he will already be torn between who to put on bench behind Smith...just hope he sees sense and at least puts him on the bench in big games...
I know. I've already accepted that we have a complete fool as a head coach. But always live in hope that the assistants may be more capable and may get through to him. Even though this is unlikely
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It seems to me that the best time to play our new 9s is when they burst onto the scene because they seem to completely go off the boil after that. I'm thinking Leonard, TTT, TJP (solid but was never as good as when he started), Lee etc. CR is playing his natural game and seems focussed and composed. It's retarded he didn't get more game time prior to the RWC but I think he'd do the job.
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It seems to me that the best time to play our new 9s is when they burst onto the scene because they seem to completely go off the boil after that. I'm thinking Leonard, TTT, TJP (solid but was never as good as when he started), Lee etc. CR is playing his natural game and seems focussed and composed. It's retarded he didn't get more game time prior to the RWC but I think he'd do the job.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2023:
It seems to me that the best time to play our new 9s is when they burst onto the scene because they seem to completely go off the boil after that. I'm thinking Leonard, TTT, TJP (solid but was never as good as when he started), Lee etc. CR is playing his natural game and seems focussed and composed. It's retarded he didn't get more game time prior to the RWC but I think he'd do the job.
You could add Byron Kelleher to that mix. Storming runs and massive impact early on.
Maybe I’m judging him for his retarded “ this is just like 1999” comment though…..
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
Interesting to see what they do with Cam, ideally you start him v Uruguay, off the bench v Italy...you just play him, there is no room for compassion and playing Christie from here, bar off the bench v Uruguay or if there is an injury.
My view is Cam's the best HB in the team. Potentially easy the best. But we don't know because of idiot coaches. That didn't start him against a top team in any recent tests
But it's not too late. Start him against Italy and see how he goes. If he continues to perform at his 2-test level then take the risk. I would do it at wing (1 only) and FB too. And maybe at 1st. Shame we don't have more options at 2nd 5 and center.
@Winger said in All Blacks 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
Interesting to see what they do with Cam, ideally you start him v Uruguay, off the bench v Italy...you just play him, there is no room for compassion and playing Christie from here, bar off the bench v Uruguay or if there is an injury.
My view is Cam's the best HB in the team. Potentially easy the best. But we don't know because of idiot coaches. That didn't start him against a top team in any recent tests
But it's not too late. Start him against Italy and see how he goes. If he continues to perform at his 2-test level then take the risk. I would do it at wing (1 only) and FB too. And maybe at 1st. Shame we don't have more options at 2nd 5 and center.
He's a good player and should be the bench halfback, but Fozzie changes his plans like the captain of an oil-tanker - so, we'll have to see whether he's had an earlier question-mark about who should be his number 2. I think there are some signs - Roigard getting this game and the bench game vs SA. The team vs Italy will tell us.
He won't and shouldn't displace Smith - who I thought outplayed du Pont in the first match. Cam is a better running halfback, but untried in a big game.
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The reserve halfback needs to have different qualities to the starter and be a point of difference. Being kind, Christie is a slower, indecisive version of Smith but his weaknesses make a big (negative) difference to the team if you are an impact player. Roigard is like a young TJP (also being a left-footer) but with a much better pass. There is still time for the coaches to make the change, as they did in 2015.
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
Interesting to see what they do with Cam, ideally you start him v Uruguay, off the bench v Italy...you just play him, there is no room for compassion and playing Christie from here, bar off the bench v Uruguay or if there is an injury.
My view is Cam's the best HB in the team. Potentially easy the best. But we don't know because of idiot coaches. That didn't start him against a top team in any recent tests
But it's not too late. Start him against Italy and see how he goes. If he continues to perform at his 2-test level then take the risk. I would do it at wing (1 only) and FB too. And maybe at 1st. Shame we don't have more options at 2nd 5 and center.
He's a good player and should be the bench halfback, but Fozzie changes his plans like the captain of an oil-tanker - so, we'll have to see whether he's had an earlier question-mark about who should be his number 2. I think there are some signs - Roigard getting this game and the bench game vs SA. The team vs Italy will tell us.
He won't and shouldn't displace Smith - who I thought outplayed du Pont in the first match. Cam is a better running halfback, but untried in a big game.
@Chris-B even if Cam deserved to start over Smith, Fozzie has shown he won't make a major.change like that unless forced into (injury)
It is if he is still stubborn enough to believe Christie is still the best 9 to back up Smith.
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I think cams point of difference is his ability to poke his nose through a gap that doesn’t appear to be there .
Not a bad quality to have for the half coming off the bench after the opposition have been dealing with a passing halfback
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@Chris-B even if Cam deserved to start over Smith, Fozzie has shown he won't make a major.change like that unless forced into (injury)
It is if he is still stubborn enough to believe Christie is still the best 9 to back up Smith.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B even if Cam deserved to start over Smith, Fozzie has shown he won't make a major.change like that unless forced into (injury)
It is if he is still stubborn enough to believe Christie is still the best 9 to back up Smith.
The time for making major changes to the team is pretty much over, though - but, that doesn't men there can't be a bit of tinkering on the margins - and they seem to have made a few changes to the make-up of the bench in recent times.
Starting XV is pretty much set in stone, but for injuries (and red cards) which is no bad thing at this point.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B even if Cam deserved to start over Smith, Fozzie has shown he won't make a major.change like that unless forced into (injury)
It is if he is still stubborn enough to believe Christie is still the best 9 to back up Smith.
The time for making major changes to the team is pretty much over, though - but, that doesn't men there can't be a bit of tinkering on the margins - and they seem to have made a few changes to the make-up of the bench in recent times.
Starting XV is pretty much set in stone, but for injuries (and red cards) which is no bad thing at this point.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
Starting XV is pretty much set in stone, but for injuries (and red cards) which is no bad thing at this point.
Welllll.....
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This discussion has gone a little bit off the rails. No way Roigard should be starting over Smith, and especially not based on coming on in a losing match and a match against Namibia.
2nd halfback over the Ginga? Hell yes. Starting over Smith. Fucking absurd.
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I'd agree with starting Smith, but precisely because we have seen so little of Roigard in big games.
Instead we risked our number 1, with no real back-up, in every major game. It's madness. The lack of any planning for something bad happening infuriates me.
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Has Mrs Roigard ever met Carlos Spencer?
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Has Mrs Roigard ever met Carlos Spencer?
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:
Has Mrs Roigard ever met Carlos Spencer?
funny think his father played in the front row whose nickname was tubby
