All Blacks 2023
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Caleb Clarke is the most frustrating AB for me. Has bags of talent, hungry for work, good under the high ball and doesn't seem to lack ticker. But he often seems to slip over when clear, slows down when he should just power thru - generally seems a bit untidy when he has the ball and doesn't know quite what to do.
Genuinely don't know if it's just him as a player or if Test level fazes him. There's huge potential and I really want him to succeed, but there's a missing piece of the jigsaw right now
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
Caleb Clarke is the most frustrating AB for me. Has bags of talent, hungry for work, good under the high ball and doesn't seem to lack ticker. But he often seems to slip over when clear, slows down when he should just power thru - generally seems a bit untidy when he has the ball and doesn't know quite what to do.
Genuinely don't know if it's just him or he has a mental issues at Test level. There's huge potential and I really want him to succeed, but there's a missing piece of the jigsaw right now
Have you watched him at all this season? Evidence so far seems to point to that very much being yesterday's problem.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
A coach that doesn't care about anything beyond this year. There's positives and negatives to that
Personally I think any close calls on squad or match day selection should go against RTS, Shannon, Mo'unga & anyone else leaving next year
B Barrett,Retalick,Whitelock,Weber,Smith would all fall in to the leaving category.
Lol they are all in the twilight of their careers, it'd be extremely surprising if any of them wanted to continue after the RWC. If not for the RWC, some may have already stepped down from international footy. That's not even close to the same thing. NZR would have wanted at least another 4 years from Mo'unga given how much had been put into his development.
That has nothing do with my post lol.
It very much does. Someone essentially "retiring" isn't the same as someone doing a career move.
No as I was only mentioning who else was leaving, not anything about who should be selected or anything like that.
In response to a post talking about that very subject.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
A coach that doesn't care about anything beyond this year. There's positives and negatives to that
Personally I think any close calls on squad or match day selection should go against RTS, Shannon, Mo'unga & anyone else leaving next year
B Barrett,Retalick,Whitelock,Weber,Smith would all fall in to the leaving category.
Lol they are all in the twilight of their careers, it'd be extremely surprising if any of them wanted to continue after the RWC. If not for the RWC, some may have already stepped down from international footy. That's not even close to the same thing. NZR would have wanted at least another 4 years from Mo'unga given how much had been put into his development.
That has nothing do with my post lol.
It very much does. Someone essentially "retiring" isn't the same as someone doing a career move.
No as I was only mentioning who else was leaving, not anything about who should be selected or anything like that.
In response to a post talking about that very subject.
Not replying in the context you are bringing up.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
Caleb Clarke is the most frustrating AB for me. Has bags of talent, hungry for work, good under the high ball and doesn't seem to lack ticker. But he often seems to slip over when clear, slows down when he should just power thru - generally seems a bit untidy when he has the ball and doesn't know quite what to do.
Genuinely don't know if it's just him or he has a mental issues at Test level. There's huge potential and I really want him to succeed, but there's a missing piece of the jigsaw right now
Have you watched him at all this season? Evidence so far seems to point to that very much being yesterday's problem.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
Caleb Clarke is the most frustrating AB for me. Has bags of talent, hungry for work, good under the high ball and doesn't seem to lack ticker. But he often seems to slip over when clear, slows down when he should just power thru - generally seems a bit untidy when he has the ball and doesn't know quite what to do.
Genuinely don't know if it's just him or he has a mental issues at Test level. There's huge potential and I really want him to succeed, but there's a missing piece of the jigsaw right now
Have you watched him at all this season? Evidence so far seems to point to that very much being yesterday's problem.
Only seen one Blues game I think, and yeah, been less of the yips. Just want to see that carried thru at Test level. I'm a big supporter of the bloke.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
Caleb Clarke is the most frustrating AB for me. Has bags of talent, hungry for work, good under the high ball and doesn't seem to lack ticker. But he often seems to slip over when clear, slows down when he should just power thru - generally seems a bit untidy when he has the ball and doesn't know quite what to do.
Genuinely don't know if it's just him or he has a mental issues at Test level. There's huge potential and I really want him to succeed, but there's a missing piece of the jigsaw right now
Have you watched him at all this season? Evidence so far seems to point to that very much being yesterday's problem.
Only seen one Blues game I think, and yeah, been less of the yips. Just want to see that carried thru at Test level. I'm a big supporter of the bloke.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
Caleb Clarke is the most frustrating AB for me. Has bags of talent, hungry for work, good under the high ball and doesn't seem to lack ticker. But he often seems to slip over when clear, slows down when he should just power thru - generally seems a bit untidy when he has the ball and doesn't know quite what to do.
Genuinely don't know if it's just him or he has a mental issues at Test level. There's huge potential and I really want him to succeed, but there's a missing piece of the jigsaw right now
Have you watched him at all this season? Evidence so far seems to point to that very much being yesterday's problem.
Only seen one Blues game I think, and yeah, been less of the yips. Just want to see that carried thru at Test level. I'm a big supporter of the bloke.
Pffft, pretender. Get back to me when you go for the broken record last year on the state of his play, he takes in all your criticisms in the off season and comes back and addresses them all the following season. That's support.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
Caleb Clarke is the most frustrating AB for me. Has bags of talent, hungry for work, good under the high ball and doesn't seem to lack ticker. But he often seems to slip over when clear, slows down when he should just power thru - generally seems a bit untidy when he has the ball and doesn't know quite what to do.
Genuinely don't know if it's just him or he has a mental issues at Test level. There's huge potential and I really want him to succeed, but there's a missing piece of the jigsaw right now
Have you watched him at all this season? Evidence so far seems to point to that very much being yesterday's problem.
Only seen one Blues game I think, and yeah, been less of the yips. Just want to see that carried thru at Test level. I'm a big supporter of the bloke.
Pffft, pretender. Get back to me when you go for the broken record last year on the state of his play, he takes in all your criticisms in the off season and comes back and addresses them all the following season. That's support.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
he takes in all your criticisms in the off season and comes back and addresses them all the following season
The power of a GOM's opinion personified...
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
he takes in all your criticisms in the off season and comes back and addresses them all the following season
The power of a GOM's opinion personified...
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
he takes in all your criticisms in the off season and comes back and addresses them all the following season
The power of a GOM's opinion personified...
You're welcome.
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Early Nonu was very like Caleb Clarke. So many breaks that were then wasted by falling over or poor option taking.
It took him a long time to come right. Clarke should be grateful, as back then the AB selectors could drop people like him.
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Early Nonu was very like Caleb Clarke. So many breaks that were then wasted by falling over or poor option taking.
It took him a long time to come right. Clarke should be grateful, as back then the AB selectors could drop people like him.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Early Nonu was very like Caleb Clarke. So many breaks that were then wasted by falling over or poor option taking.
It took him a long time to come right. Clarke should be grateful, as back then the AB selectors could drop people like him.
Young Nonu was far more balanced than Clarke!! He tore up teams at Super level. But his decision making did take a long time to come good
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Early Nonu was very like Caleb Clarke. So many breaks that were then wasted by falling over or poor option taking.
It took him a long time to come right. Clarke should be grateful, as back then the AB selectors could drop people like him.
Young Nonu was far more balanced than Clarke!! He tore up teams at Super level. But his decision making did take a long time to come good
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Early Nonu was very like Caleb Clarke. So many breaks that were then wasted by falling over or poor option taking.
It took him a long time to come right. Clarke should be grateful, as back then the AB selectors could drop people like him.
Young Nonu was far more balanced than Clarke!! He tore up teams at Super level. But his decision making did take a long time to come good
the way i remember it , his reads in defense were the number 1 concern when he was first on the scene
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Early Nonu was very like Caleb Clarke. So many breaks that were then wasted by falling over or poor option taking.
It took him a long time to come right. Clarke should be grateful, as back then the AB selectors could drop people like him.
Young Nonu was far more balanced than Clarke!! He tore up teams at Super level. But his decision making did take a long time to come good
the way i remember it , his reads in defense were the number 1 concern when he was first on the scene
@kiwiinmelb issues with his hands at times too IIRC...he turned out pretty good though aye!
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Early Nonu was very like Caleb Clarke. So many breaks that were then wasted by falling over or poor option taking.
It took him a long time to come right. Clarke should be grateful, as back then the AB selectors could drop people like him.
Young Nonu was far more balanced than Clarke!! He tore up teams at Super level. But his decision making did take a long time to come good
the way i remember it , his reads in defense were the number 1 concern when he was first on the scene
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Early Nonu was very like Caleb Clarke. So many breaks that were then wasted by falling over or poor option taking.
It took him a long time to come right. Clarke should be grateful, as back then the AB selectors could drop people like him.
Young Nonu was far more balanced than Clarke!! He tore up teams at Super level. But his decision making did take a long time to come good
the way i remember it , his reads in defense were the number 1 concern when he was first on the scene
That and he was a gold star member of the too cool club. If he dropped it or made a mistake he'd just turn his back and walk away, giving opposition a free pass
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Probably too early to start thinking about next year, but seeing the rise of Finau this year and Sotutu adding some real grit to his game did make me think...
6 Finau
7 Papalii
8 SotutuLooks nicely balanced eh. Tempted to go with Blackadder at 7, but DP is probably my captain. Throw in Grace, Savea, Gardiner and Lakai, we're going to be back to having a world class trio.
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Probably too early to start thinking about next year, but seeing the rise of Finau this year and Sotutu adding some real grit to his game did make me think...
6 Finau
7 Papalii
8 SotutuLooks nicely balanced eh. Tempted to go with Blackadder at 7, but DP is probably my captain. Throw in Grace, Savea, Gardiner and Lakai, we're going to be back to having a world class trio.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Probably too early to start thinking about next year, but seeing the rise of Finau this year and Sotutu adding some real grit to his game did make me think...
6 Finau
7 Papalii
8 SotutuLooks nicely balanced eh. Tempted to go with Blackadder at 7, but DP is probably my captain. Throw in Grace, Savea, Gardiner and Lakai, we're going to be back to having a world class trio.
Blackadder on the bench given his utility?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Probably too early to start thinking about next year, but seeing the rise of Finau this year and Sotutu adding some real grit to his game did make me think...
6 Finau
7 Papalii
8 SotutuLooks nicely balanced eh. Tempted to go with Blackadder at 7, but DP is probably my captain. Throw in Grace, Savea, Gardiner and Lakai, we're going to be back to having a world class trio.
Blackadder on the bench given his utility?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Probably too early to start thinking about next year, but seeing the rise of Finau this year and Sotutu adding some real grit to his game did make me think...
6 Finau
7 Papalii
8 SotutuLooks nicely balanced eh. Tempted to go with Blackadder at 7, but DP is probably my captain. Throw in Grace, Savea, Gardiner and Lakai, we're going to be back to having a world class trio.
Blackadder on the bench given his utility?
Now you're just trolling for Canes fans.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
How likely is Levi Aumua to being added this year if someone goes down?
He'll need to sign with NZR and one of the NZ Super Rugby franchises first. There's an agreement with Moana Pasifika that the All Blacks won't cap their players if they're also eligibile for one or more of the PI nations.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
How likely is Levi Aumua to being added this year if someone goes down?
He'll need to sign with NZR and one of the NZ Super Rugby franchises first. There's an agreement with Moana Pasifika that the All Blacks won't cap their players if they're also eligibile for one or more of the PI nations.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
How likely is Levi Aumua to being added this year if someone goes down?
He'll need to sign with NZR and one of the NZ Super Rugby franchises first. There's an agreement with Moana Pasifika that the All Blacks won't cap their players if they're also eligibile for one or more of the PI nations.
Did the Australians also agree to that, I wonder?
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
How likely is Levi Aumua to being added this year if someone goes down?
He'll need to sign with NZR and one of the NZ Super Rugby franchises first. There's an agreement with Moana Pasifika that the All Blacks won't cap their players if they're also eligibile for one or more of the PI nations.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
How likely is Levi Aumua to being added this year if someone goes down?
He'll need to sign with NZR and one of the NZ Super Rugby franchises first. There's an agreement with Moana Pasifika that the All Blacks won't cap their players if they're also eligibile for one or more of the PI nations.
I would argue the spirit of the agreement was broken last year with the NZ xv selection.
If they want him this year they’ll pick him and ask him to sign with an NZ side in 2024.. then they’ll claim the agreement was never broken
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
How likely is Levi Aumua to being added this year if someone goes down?
He'll need to sign with NZR and one of the NZ Super Rugby franchises first. There's an agreement with Moana Pasifika that the All Blacks won't cap their players if they're also eligibile for one or more of the PI nations.
I would argue the spirit of the agreement was broken last year with the NZ xv selection.
If they want him this year they’ll pick him and ask him to sign with an NZ side in 2024.. then they’ll claim the agreement was never broken
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
How likely is Levi Aumua to being added this year if someone goes down?
He'll need to sign with NZR and one of the NZ Super Rugby franchises first. There's an agreement with Moana Pasifika that the All Blacks won't cap their players if they're also eligibile for one or more of the PI nations.
I would argue the spirit of the agreement was broken last year with the NZ xv selection.
If they want him this year they’ll pick him and ask him to sign with an NZ side in 2024.. then they’ll claim the agreement was never broken
TBH, it doesn't seem so clear cut with Aumua, it doesn't appear that he signed with MP with the expectation that he was going to play for a PI team. If that was the case presumably he would have designated one at the start of the 2022? Also, I think he was re-signed by MP after he was selected for the ABs XV.
I thought there was spots open for PIs who qualify for other nations? Like Leali'ifano and McKee (who I don't think has thrown in his lot with the Cooks yet)?
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Speaking on The Breakdown on Monday, Moana Pasifika general manager Kevin Senio said 80 percent of the players on the franchise’s roster will need to eligible or available to play for Samoa, Tonga, Fiji or any other Pacific nation.
That would leave eight players within the franchise’s 38-man squad available to play for the All Blacks, Wallabies or any other test nation.
“What we’ve done is we’ve used the New Zealand model and flipped it on its head,” Senio, who played one test for the All Blacks in 2005, said.
“So, 80 percent of the team have to be eligible and/or have played for Samoa or Tonga and/or Fiji – any of the Pasifika teams.
“For those who are going to be aligning themselves into Moana Pasifika, you can’t play for the All Blacks or Australia.”
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:I would argue the spirit of the agreement was broken last year with the NZ xv selection.
Disagree. It was made very clear when he was selected for All Blacks XV that that wouldn't have any effect on his PI eligibility, because the ABs XV is a non-capping team.
What I find far more significant is that he hasn't shown any interest in playing for any PI nation he's eligible for. I don't believe for a second that he hasn't been asked.
