All Blacks 2023
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So, for some reason I can't help but feel weird about the current coaching setup given the saviour is taking over post world cup. How do you think this impacts Fozzie and the current crop? I honestly hope it gives them that extra motivation to say fuck you to all who doubt them or don't believe they are capable. I guess anything but winning the cup will be deemed a failure by his reign.
I wonder if Razor is secretly hoping they lose the WC as it would make his job a little harder taking over the world champions and trying to retain it. Thoughts?
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2023:
So, for some reason I can't help but feel weird about the current coaching setup given the saviour is taking over post world cup. How do you think this impacts Fozzie and the current crop? I honestly hope it gives them that extra motivation to say fuck you to all who doubt them or don't believe they are capable. I guess anything but winning the cup will be deemed a failure by his reign.
I think we'll do better than we expect, but the Rugby world has changed and the gap has narrowed hugely. There's 4-5 teams pretty close at the top of the tree these days.
I wonder if Razor is secretly hoping they lose the WC as it would make his job a little harder taking over the world champions and trying to retain it. Thoughts?
Nah, doubt that completely. That's the sort of crazy conspiracy-theory bollocks you'd expect loons to throw at Foster.
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I see Mackenzie is locked in until 2025.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:
I see Mackenzie is locked in until 2025.
That's only two years. If DMac carries his SR form into the RWC, I'd expect him to get a longer contract.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:
I see Mackenzie is locked in until 2025.
That's only two years. If DMac carries his SR form into the RWC, I'd expect him to get a longer contract.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:
I see Mackenzie is locked in until 2025.
That's only two years. If DMac carries his SR form into the RWC, I'd expect him to get a longer contract.
Yup, he stay for two years, and if he hasn't nailed down the top ten role, he heads overseas. Still young enough to make a fair amount of money
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Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
The way Foster was talking up Havili on the Breakdown last week, he's a certainty if fit.
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@Tim If this squad composition is assumed, then the next step is to look at who are squad certainties. I would suggest if fit:
de Groot
Lomax
Tu'ungufasiTaukei'aho
TaylorRetallick
Whitelock
S BarrettCane
Papalii
Savea
SotutuSmith
Mo'unga
B Barrett
McKenzieJ Barrett
R IoaneJordan
Probably will also see Clarke on the wing, with two of Stevenson, Narawa, Telea, and maybe Fainga'anuku joining him. (3)
Hooker will be Aumua or Coles, hopefully the former. (1)
The two props are tough to pick, and injury dependent. LH: Moody, Ross, maybe Numia. TH: Laulala, Williams, Dyer, Newell. (1 each)
Lock is between Vaa'i, Tuipulotu, and Lord. (1)
Loose forward: Frizell, Ioane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Finau. (2)
Halfback: Christie, Weber, Roigard. (2)
Midfield: Havili, ALB, RTS, Goodhue. (2)
@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
Halfback: Christie, Weber, Roigard. (2)
Midfield: Havili, ALB, RTS, Goodhue. (2)If those selections go ahead as expected, that's terribly disappointing.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
The way Foster was talking up Havili on the Breakdown last week, he's a certainty if fit.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
The way Foster was talking up Havili on the Breakdown last week, he's a certainty if fit.
I'm not a coaching genius, but I can't identify what they like about his play.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
The way Foster was talking up Havili on the Breakdown last week, he's a certainty if fit.
I'm not a coaching genius, but I can't identify what they like about his play.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
The way Foster was talking up Havili on the Breakdown last week, he's a certainty if fit.
I'm not a coaching genius, but I can't identify what they like about his play.
Don't mind Havili, he reads game well and is more your 2nd 5/8th type player. Don't think he will be a starter if JB fit but at moment would be the back up I think.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
The way Foster was talking up Havili on the Breakdown last week, he's a certainty if fit.
I'm not a coaching genius, but I can't identify what they like about his play.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
The way Foster was talking up Havili on the Breakdown last week, he's a certainty if fit.
I'm not a coaching genius, but I can't identify what they like about his play.
Too me he's a 'nearly there' player. A jack of all trades master of none. I don't get the argument that he is a second-five, he hardly ever goes to first receiver and also never directs play tactically from second man out.
I do get that he could be a squad option for the RWC as he has the versatility to play various roles in minnow games (including 10) -
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
The way Foster was talking up Havili on the Breakdown last week, he's a certainty if fit.
I'm not a coaching genius, but I can't identify what they like about his play.
Too me he's a 'nearly there' player. A jack of all trades master of none. I don't get the argument that he is a second-five, he hardly ever goes to first receiver and also never directs play tactically from second man out.
I do get that he could be a squad option for the RWC as he has the versatility to play various roles in minnow games (including 10) -
@Crucial I actually disagree there mate, for Crusaders off set piece ball ocer last few years he has been first receiver more tham RMo, especially in first half, for some reason not so much this year (maybe because he hardly played).
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial I actually disagree there mate, for Crusaders off set piece ball ocer last few years he has been first receiver more tham RMo, especially in first half, for some reason not so much this year (maybe because he hardly played).
I'm talking about ABs though. Rightly or wrongly the coaches there don't give him that role and that decision will be based on what they see.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
Halfback: Christie, Weber, Roigard. (2)
Midfield: Havili, ALB, RTS, Goodhue. (2)If those selections go ahead as expected, that's terribly disappointing.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
Halfback: Christie, Weber, Roigard. (2)
Midfield: Havili, ALB, RTS, Goodhue. (2)If those selections go ahead as expected, that's terribly disappointing.
i know right, two of the 4 midfielders very injury prone, third is unproven and going back to league and Havili is so vanilla at international level
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
The way Foster was talking up Havili on the Breakdown last week, he's a certainty if fit.
I'm not a coaching genius, but I can't identify what they like about his play.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
Reckon you can throw Clarke into the certainties and tempted to throw in Christie, Havili and ALB too.
The way Foster was talking up Havili on the Breakdown last week, he's a certainty if fit.
I'm not a coaching genius, but I can't identify what they like about his play.
Least worst option. Plus he doesn't get injured every few games.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
Halfback: Christie, Weber, Roigard. (2)
Midfield: Havili, ALB, RTS, Goodhue. (2)If those selections go ahead as expected, that's terribly disappointing.
i know right, two of the 4 midfielders very injury prone, third is unproven and going back to league and Havili is so vanilla at international level
Agree 100% on Havili.
He is neither fast nor a gain line breaker in the mould of Danty, Tuilagi or Aki.
I have seen him ragdolled a fair few times in close quarters.
When Jordie got the gig it was so refreshing. just put his head down and steamed into contact like a jagged elbowed lump.
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Damian McKenzie didn’t sound out Scott Robertson, but admits he was “on the fence” and that the impending departures of Richie Mo’unga and Beauden Barrett played a major role in his decision to spurn another big-money deal in Japan and stay put in New Zealand.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
Halfback: Christie, Weber, Roigard. (2)
Midfield: Havili, ALB, RTS, Goodhue. (2)If those selections go ahead as expected, that's terribly disappointing.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
Halfback: Christie, Weber, Roigard. (2)
Midfield: Havili, ALB, RTS, Goodhue. (2)If those selections go ahead as expected, that's terribly disappointing.
Well if white-knuckled excitement is more your cup of tea we could go
Dallas McLeod (24) Levi Aumua (28)*
Emoni Narawa (23)** Leicester Fainga'anuku (23)*If choosing elsewhere: will Sevu Reece (26) be ready in time?
**If choosing elsewhere: Billy Proctor (23). NB Narawa also a part-time 15.
Oh and I forgot Bryce Heem (but 34!)
And the above were made totally without consideration to pairing experience (my bad)..maybe that would require a shuffling of the two pairs.. -
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
Halfback: Christie, Weber, Roigard. (2)
Midfield: Havili, ALB, RTS, Goodhue. (2)If those selections go ahead as expected, that's terribly disappointing.
Well if white-knuckled excitement is more your cup of tea we could go
Dallas McLeod (24) Levi Aumua (28)*
Emoni Narawa (23)** Leicester Fainga'anuku (23)*If choosing elsewhere: will Sevu Reece (26) be ready in time?
**If choosing elsewhere: Billy Proctor (23). NB Narawa also a part-time 15.
Oh and I forgot Bryce Heem (but 34!)
And the above were made totally without consideration to pairing experience (my bad)..maybe that would require a shuffling of the two pairs..@nostrildamus Sevu Reece is out of the World Cup sadly unless he can get the same witch doctor in Fiji as Wasake Naholo.
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You know all the discussion of team for this year, I been thinking on Narawa, he would go into my team ahead of Jordan, unless Jordan comes back and plays house down. I personally think (admittedlt at super level) Narawa is playing better than I have seen Jordan for a couple of years. I not saying it will happen, just saying on what I have seen up to now, and unless Jordan is back reall soon I not sure he going to be ready for RC anyway.
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You know all the discussion of team for this year, I been thinking on Narawa, he would go into my team ahead of Jordan, unless Jordan comes back and plays house down. I personally think (admittedlt at super level) Narawa is playing better than I have seen Jordan for a couple of years. I not saying it will happen, just saying on what I have seen up to now, and unless Jordan is back reall soon I not sure he going to be ready for RC anyway.
Will Jordan has 21 tries in 21 games for NZ aged 25.
He missed the end of last year but at that scoring rate he was/is easily going to break Howletts record.
I suspect he is already pencilled in to the RWC squad and he has been treated with kid gloves by the Crusaders under instructions from the higher ups at HQ.
