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All Blacks 2023

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  • ChrisC Chris

    I am sure everyone who played this game on the Fern would have been told if you kick it is to retain possession or kick into space not to hand unless it is contestable.

    These days it seems just random kicking, can’t handle pressure so kick it no matter where it ends up or can’t break the defence/ or clearing hoof it down field and hope it lands in a good place.
    Most teams have kicking coaches and attack and defence coaches what are they instilling in the players when it comes to kicking.
    Where are the Carters,Mehrtens Fox’s etc should they not be used in some capacity as tactical kicking coaches.

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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2023:

    I am sure everyone who played this game on the Fern would have been told if you kick it is to retain possession or kick into space not to hand unless it is contestable.

    These days it seems just random kicking, can’t handle pressure so kick it no matter where it ends up or can’t break the defence/ or clearing hoof it down field and hope it lands in a good place.
    Most teams have kicking coaches and attack and defence coaches what are they instilling in the players when it comes to kicking.
    Where are the Carters,Mehrtens Fox’s etc should they not be used in some capacity as tactical kicking coaches.

    That's my problem with Barrett.

    He is one of my favourite players ever, but he plays Rugby like a player in a playstation game.

    "ah sure ill run it from here sideways", "ah sure ill do a grubber in my own 22".

    He seems to always want to do something on this play, as opposed to moving the chess pieces around with a view to doing something in 2 phases time. It's now now now.

    It doesn't look or feel controlled from my barstool.

    Mo'unga aint much better.

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      Play the "best" (incumbent) 15 men every week to win the Rugby Championship and have "confidence" going to the RWC.

      or

      Experiment to give the Stevensons, Roigards. Narawas of the world an audition?

      What will we do?

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      @Steve said in All Blacks 2023:

      Play the "best" (incumbent) 15 men every week to win the Rugby Championship and have "confidence" going to the RWC.

      or

      Experiment to give the Stevensons, Roigards. Narawas of the world an audition?

      What will we do?

      Clearly the latter I would hope. We will be the team everyone fears with multiple attacking threats from the new talent. Then if we are good at spotting the gaps and taking advantage we can prosper. We need to build some confidence in the players creating those threats.

      Just compare Narawa with Clarke. Much easier to defend a player sliding into the tackle and trying to bump through. But when a player can chip and regather or swerve around or reverse pass accurately how much harder is that to defend? And if a fullback can kick long and reasonably accurately as well as counterattack, then it restricts the opposition options.

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        Are the All Black rest protocols still in place? Was surprised to see both De Groot and Mounga playing this weekend. Tuungafasi and Taukeiaho too.
        Or were the goalposts shifted by Leon? Perofeta and Sotutu seemed to play long streaks previously. But I could be wrong and they have been in place consistently all along?

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          Are the All Black rest protocols still in place? Was surprised to see both De Groot and Mounga playing this weekend. Tuungafasi and Taukeiaho too.
          Or were the goalposts shifted by Leon? Perofeta and Sotutu seemed to play long streaks previously. But I could be wrong and they have been in place consistently all along?

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          @ARHS All teams have recently had a bye.

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            Are the All Black rest protocols still in place? Was surprised to see both De Groot and Mounga playing this weekend. Tuungafasi and Taukeiaho too.
            Or were the goalposts shifted by Leon? Perofeta and Sotutu seemed to play long streaks previously. But I could be wrong and they have been in place consistently all along?

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            @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

            Are the All Black rest protocols still in place?

            McMillan's comments after beating the Crusaders:

            “It gives us a little bit of breathing space, and breathing space counts for a lot of things. We’re going to have to give our All Blacks another break between now and quarterfinal time, what games you choose to do that becomes a little bit easier.”

            I assumed the ABs needed another rest week, but maybe that is McMillan's decision about the Chiefs only.

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              @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

              Are the All Black rest protocols still in place?

              McMillan's comments after beating the Crusaders:

              “It gives us a little bit of breathing space, and breathing space counts for a lot of things. We’re going to have to give our All Blacks another break between now and quarterfinal time, what games you choose to do that becomes a little bit easier.”

              I assumed the ABs needed another rest week, but maybe that is McMillan's decision about the Chiefs only.

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              @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:

              @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

              Are the All Black rest protocols still in place?

              McMillan's comments after beating the Crusaders:

              “It gives us a little bit of breathing space, and breathing space counts for a lot of things. We’re going to have to give our All Blacks another break between now and quarterfinal time, what games you choose to do that becomes a little bit easier.”

              I assumed the ABs needed another rest week, but maybe that is McMillan's decision about the Chiefs only.

              That was what prompted me to ask. @Stargazer that explains it then. McMillan may be doing it voluntarily.

              Was thinking ahead to next week. Taukeiaho and Vaai obvious ones to have a break and maybe Dyer rests if Moli can play.

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                @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:

                @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

                Are the All Black rest protocols still in place?

                McMillan's comments after beating the Crusaders:

                “It gives us a little bit of breathing space, and breathing space counts for a lot of things. We’re going to have to give our All Blacks another break between now and quarterfinal time, what games you choose to do that becomes a little bit easier.”

                I assumed the ABs needed another rest week, but maybe that is McMillan's decision about the Chiefs only.

                That was what prompted me to ask. @Stargazer that explains it then. McMillan may be doing it voluntarily.

                Was thinking ahead to next week. Taukeiaho and Vaai obvious ones to have a break and maybe Dyer rests if Moli can play.

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                @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

                Was thinking ahead to next week. Taukeiaho and Vaai obvious ones to have a break and maybe Dyer rests if Moli can play.

                My guess is that Vaa'i wouldn't have played last night if Retallick was fit and they would swap for the Reds game. Boshier's injury might complicate the plan for Cane to rest. I expect all fit Taranaki Chiefs to be in the 23 to play the Reds.

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                  @Steve said in All Blacks 2023:

                  Play the "best" (incumbent) 15 men every week to win the Rugby Championship and have "confidence" going to the RWC.

                  or

                  Experiment to give the Stevensons, Roigards. Narawas of the world an audition?

                  What will we do?

                  Clearly the latter I would hope. We will be the team everyone fears with multiple attacking threats from the new talent. Then if we are good at spotting the gaps and taking advantage we can prosper. We need to build some confidence in the players creating those threats.

                  Just compare Narawa with Clarke. Much easier to defend a player sliding into the tackle and trying to bump through. But when a player can chip and regather or swerve around or reverse pass accurately how much harder is that to defend? And if a fullback can kick long and reasonably accurately as well as counterattack, then it restricts the opposition options.

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                  @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

                  ust compare Narawa with Clarke. Much easier to defend a player sliding into the tackle and trying to bump through. But when a player can chip and regather or swerve around or reverse pass accurately how much harder is that to defend? And if a fullback can kick long and reasonably accurately as well as counterattack, then it restricts the opposition options.

                  I really like Narawa, but Clarke is much more than a bash merchant.
                  He can step at pace, actually is quick ,and is good under the high ball.
                  I'd like to know if Narawa is good under the high ball.

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                    @Nepia said in Highlanders v Chiefs:

                    @Steven-Harris said in Highlanders v Chiefs:

                    @Stargazer that was a critisim of James Lowes as well ,i do wonder however if all the other tools SS brings to the table outweigh any defensive issues

                    Poor defence didn't hold back Reece from being selected for the ABs.

                    Reece is the best winger defensively in the Crusaders & All Blacks, Jordan on the other hand is usually a liability, he has cost his team/s numerous times in crucial moments on defense at SR and test level, it appears that people only look at his contributions on attack, however strength of defense and collisions is what determines matches at international level which is why Reece & Narawa are better options at 14 than Jordan for the All Blacks IMO.

                    ,My All Black back 3 would be Fainga'anuku, Stevenson, Narawa. Big, physically imposing & defensively solid.

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                    • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                      @Nepia said in Highlanders v Chiefs:

                      @Steven-Harris said in Highlanders v Chiefs:

                      @Stargazer that was a critisim of James Lowes as well ,i do wonder however if all the other tools SS brings to the table outweigh any defensive issues

                      Poor defence didn't hold back Reece from being selected for the ABs.

                      Reece is the best winger defensively in the Crusaders & All Blacks, Jordan on the other hand is usually a liability, he has cost his team/s numerous times in crucial moments on defense at SR and test level, it appears that people only look at his contributions on attack, however strength of defense and collisions is what determines matches at international level which is why Reece & Narawa are better options at 14 than Jordan for the All Blacks IMO.

                      ,My All Black back 3 would be Fainga'anuku, Stevenson, Narawa. Big, physically imposing & defensively solid.

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                      @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2023:

                      Reece is the best winger defensively in the Crusaders & All Blacks

                      Reece had very poor defence when first making the ABs. Don't pretend otherwise.

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                        @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2023:

                        Reece is the best winger defensively in the Crusaders & All Blacks

                        Reece had very poor defence when first making the ABs. Don't pretend otherwise.

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                        @Nepia He has always been strong in getting over the ball and cover defends effectively a long way across field. Best in NZ maybe at that. Always thought those were standouts that offset front on defensive weakness.

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                          Speaking of over the ball - Narawa is excellent at that.

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                            Jesus Christ!

                            Would you like a cup of tea, Father! 🙂

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                              So, fans of the shitter franchises

                              How do you feel that your so-called superstar players, all on big bucks, are playing dogshit?

                              Happy to excuse their ineptitude because apparently they are only required to play well in September?

                              Loving watching them are ya?

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                              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                So, fans of the shitter franchises

                                How do you feel that your so-called superstar players, all on big bucks, are playing dogshit?

                                Happy to excuse their ineptitude because apparently they are only required to play well in September?

                                Loving watching them are ya?

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                                @mariner4life Drink! Arse! Feck!!! 🙂

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                                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                  So, fans of the shitter franchises

                                  How do you feel that your so-called superstar players, all on big bucks, are playing dogshit?

                                  Happy to excuse their ineptitude because apparently they are only required to play well in September?

                                  Loving watching them are ya?

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                                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

                                  So, fans of the shitter franchises

                                  How do you feel that your so-called superstar players, all on big bucks, are playing dogshit?

                                  Happy to excuse their ineptitude because apparently they are only required to play well in September?

                                  Loving watching them are ya?

                                  Did you even see the Clarke + Akira try? I’ll take that for the ABs in a World Cup.

                                  I think your post should be in the GOM thread

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                                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                    So, fans of the shitter franchises

                                    How do you feel that your so-called superstar players, all on big bucks, are playing dogshit?

                                    Happy to excuse their ineptitude because apparently they are only required to play well in September?

                                    Loving watching them are ya?

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                                    @mariner4life Stick DMac in the Blues team. Would be very happy with that.

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                                      @mariner4life Stick DMac in the Blues team. Would be very happy with that.

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                                      @Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

                                      @mariner4life Stick DMac in the Blues team. Would be very happy with that.

                                      How many ABs do you need to beat the most retched, soulless franchise in super rugby history?

                                      Should we also bring back Carlos?

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                                        @Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

                                        @mariner4life Stick DMac in the Blues team. Would be very happy with that.

                                        How many ABs do you need to beat the most retched, soulless franchise in super rugby history?

                                        Should we also bring back Carlos?

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                                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

                                        @Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

                                        @mariner4life Stick DMac in the Blues team. Would be very happy with that.

                                        How many ABs do you need to beat the most retched, soulless franchise in super rugby history?

                                        Should we also bring back Carlos?

                                        Canes aren’t that bad.

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                                          @Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

                                          @mariner4life Stick DMac in the Blues team. Would be very happy with that.

                                          How many ABs do you need to beat the most retched, soulless franchise in super rugby history?

                                          Should we also bring back Carlos?

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                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

                                          How many ABs do you need to beat the most retched, soulless franchise in super rugby history?

                                          Clearly we already have enough to flog the Highlanders.

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