All Blacks 2023
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@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC. -
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.Finn Russell gets plenty of welly (today included) as being a flat track show pony.
Our 3 are no better at the moment.
Sexton is black and blue every week and comes out the next week and backs it up.
Our lads are cheque cashers between sabbaticals. Their Allblack careers are like sabbaticals within sabbaticals.
Ive never known a time like it to have no affinity with an allblack fly half.
The posiiton has been deified for so long.
We have one lad just back from Japan and the other 2 are on their way there.
And before anyone gives me the "but Carter".......DC earned it.
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@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.Perhaps if the Blues played their best 10 at 10 in Perofeta the ABs might have another option.
I'm more worried about how DMac goes in big Super games - being hot and cold vs Highlanders means little.
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@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.Perhaps if the Blues played their best 10 at 10 in Perofeta the ABs might have another option.
I'm more worried about how DMac goes in big Super games - being hot and cold vs Highlanders means little.
@KiwiMurph said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
I'm more worried about how DMac goes in big Super games
He has some average games at first in last years NPC. Can't remember if it was any big games though. Whether he loses focus against weaker teams or if he is just inconsistent regardless of the team
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@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.Perhaps if the Blues played their best 10 at 10 in Perofeta the ABs might have another option.
I'm more worried about how DMac goes in big Super games - being hot and cold vs Highlanders means little.
@KiwiMurph guess at least he is showing more 'hot' than the other options that are mostly cold?
We need one of RM, BB or DM to really step up and own the 10 jersey, we are already heading into the most competitive RWC ever, and without a 10 that can control things for us, we are done.
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@KiwiMurph guess at least he is showing more 'hot' than the other options that are mostly cold?
We need one of RM, BB or DM to really step up and own the 10 jersey, we are already heading into the most competitive RWC ever, and without a 10 that can control things for us, we are done.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph guess at least he is showing more 'hot' than the other options that are mostly cold?
We need one of RM, BB or DM to really step up and own the 10 jersey, we are already heading into the most competitive RWC ever, and without a 10 that can control things for us, we are done.
If DMac continues his current trajectory is Foster going to have the stones to give him a shot at steering the cutter?
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@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.Perhaps if the Blues played their best 10 at 10 in Perofeta the ABs might have another option.
I'm more worried about how DMac goes in big Super games - being hot and cold vs Highlanders means little.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.Perhaps if the Blues played their best 10 at 10 in Perofeta the ABs might have another option.
I'm more worried about how DMac goes in big Super games - being hot and cold vs Highlanders means little.
Yep totally agree the Blues have it the wrong way around.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Steve said in Hurricanes vs Blues:
@Chris look at Sexton aged 37. Into everything on D and attack.
I actually never really rated Sexton, but you notice him on the pitch.
Beaudy is coming off the pitch spotlessly clean. Catches a few kicks. Boots them back.
Kicks a few aimless cross field balls. Thats it now.
Mo'unga aint far behind. Another behind the gainline merchant these days.
D MAc was shit last game
kicking was shit wayward including missing touch badly from a penalty.
Dropped the ball cold 3 times on attack.
,Major problem who steers the ship at the WC.Perhaps if the Blues played their best 10 at 10 in Perofeta the ABs might have another option.
I'm more worried about how DMac goes in big Super games - being hot and cold vs Highlanders means little.
Yep totally agree the Blues have it the wrong way around.
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So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
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So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
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@Chris
It has to start with Matt Sexton (NZR High Performance Player Development Manager) and the Super Rugby HP managers/coaches. As the article says NZR has had different priorities for the NZ U20s for over a decade.@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris
It has to start with Matt Sexton (NZR High Performance Player Development Manager) and the Super Rugby HP managers/coaches. As the article says NZR has had different priorities for the NZ U20s for over a decade.I don't think we can blame the Super Rugby HP managers/Coaches they have priorities to recruit and develop for their clubs not directly for the AB's, should that gap from Super to international for young players be taken up by a coaching HP group associated with the AB's like a bridging coaching system.
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So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
my feeling as NZR has fundamentally fuck up rugby in NZ, putting all the focus on the AB's and deciding the best players can just be identified in isolation....rather than focusing on just a stable and engaging domestic/super comp and understanding a great comp will just develop great players
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
my feeling as NZR has fundamentally fuck up rugby in NZ, putting all the focus on the AB's and deciding the best players can just be identified in isolation....rather than focusing on just a stable and engaging domestic/super comp and understanding a great comp will just develop great players
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
my feeling as NZR has fundamentally fuck up rugby in NZ, putting all the focus on the AB's and deciding the best players can just be identified in isolation....rather than focusing on just a stable and engaging domestic/super comp and understanding a great comp will just develop great players
I actually think that they do the latter already and that is part of the problem. They leave the cream to rise to the top then get players up to test match speed through AB camps.
Others have pointed out that development from NZR does exist but I question whether it is simply generalised fast tracking. Getting players aligned around training discipline, nutrition, professional standards, language and terminology etc. Of course there will be some specific skills training such as scrum coaching, technique to keep within laws etc but I suggest that it needs to go further.
We can all see that our on field generals in the first five position don't play a style that works at test level. Why are we developing those skills and thinking? Who is doing tactical awareness, kicking strategy etc at an academy level? -
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
my feeling as NZR has fundamentally fuck up rugby in NZ, putting all the focus on the AB's and deciding the best players can just be identified in isolation....rather than focusing on just a stable and engaging domestic/super comp and understanding a great comp will just develop great players
I actually think that they do the latter already and that is part of the problem. They leave the cream to rise to the top then get players up to test match speed through AB camps.
Others have pointed out that development from NZR does exist but I question whether it is simply generalised fast tracking. Getting players aligned around training discipline, nutrition, professional standards, language and terminology etc. Of course there will be some specific skills training such as scrum coaching, technique to keep within laws etc but I suggest that it needs to go further.
We can all see that our on field generals in the first five position don't play a style that works at test level. Why are we developing those skills and thinking? Who is doing tactical awareness, kicking strategy etc at an academy level? -
@Crucial which latter part? you think NZR is focusing on a good domestic comps?
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial which latter part? you think NZR is focusing on a good domestic comps?
I think they are relying on the comps to highlight and produce the talent (great players) then they will take over and do the polishing.
Our comps are about as stable and engaging as they are going to get at the moment. -
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
I don't think blaming everything on Foster and/or the people who appointed him helps us much, if at all. Problems almost certainly run way deeper than that and probably go back for years with a complacency that NZ rugby and rugby players are somehow inherently superior to anyone else.
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
I don't think blaming everything on Foster and/or the people who appointed him helps us much, if at all. Problems almost certainly run way deeper than that and probably go back for years with a complacency that NZ rugby and rugby players are somehow inherently superior to anyone else.
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
100% agree with this.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
I don't think blaming everything on Foster and/or the people who appointed him helps us much, if at all. Problems almost certainly run way deeper than that and probably go back for years with a complacency that NZ rugby and rugby players are somehow inherently superior to anyone else.
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
agreed, saw the NRL boss on the news the other day talking about the success of the dolphins and their plans for the future, aiming at another NZ team, South Aus, West Aus, the pacific and even PNG...and we have two seperate comps jammed together and basically keep falling back on "kiwis love rugby...thats all we need"
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
I don't think blaming everything on Foster and/or the people who appointed him helps us much, if at all. Problems almost certainly run way deeper than that and probably go back for years with a complacency that NZ rugby and rugby players are somehow inherently superior to anyone else.
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
I don't think blaming everything on Foster
while I agree with alot of what you say, I do think Foster and his team has a responsibility to go to the people that matter that he has a problem area/s that needs addressing, after which then it would technically be someone elses problem if not dealt with (although again, he should still be over wanting to make it right)
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
I don't think blaming everything on Foster and/or the people who appointed him helps us much, if at all. Problems almost certainly run way deeper than that and probably go back for years with a complacency that NZ rugby and rugby players are somehow inherently superior to anyone else.
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
I don't think blaming everything on Foster and/or the people who appointed him helps us much, if at all. Problems almost certainly run way deeper than that and probably go back for years with a complacency that NZ rugby and rugby players are somehow inherently superior to anyone else.
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
100% agree with this.
So what have you fellas done about it? Have you actually put forward suggestions in the NZR review? Or got suggestions who or what should be done? I will add I didn't as I haven't got great ideas what should be done.
I not disagreeing that changes could be made, bloody easy for us to say it without having answers isn't it?
