Rugby World Cup general discussion

[NTA]

Michael Hooper to be left out

[Nepia]

@NTA said in Rugby World Cup news:

Michael Hooper to be left out

Is that a real left out or a Saffa left out where some poor schmuck is going to get "injured" in training once the tournament starts?

[Machpants]

@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup news:

@Billy-Tell said in Rugby World Cup news:

@sparky said in Rugby World Cup news:

@Billy-Tell I’m uneasy about an unprecedented reduction of accountability and transparency around the issuing of Red Cards. That is hardly the same as proclaiming the moon landings were faked.

The new system is miles better. Takes the pressure off the ref and the home crowd out of the equation. I don’t think Italian mafia betting gangs will be involved. Rugby is small fry.

Rob Howley says hi

A guy who placed his own bets, he wasn't in any syndicate

[Bones]

@Machpants said in Rugby World Cup news:

@Bones said in Rugby World Cup news:

@sparky didn't I see the other day that they're doing the 20 minute red card now, unless it's deemed deliberate foul play?

No. They are only doing the yellow first then bunker has ten minutes to confirm yellow or upgrade to red

I don't know how ruck still exist, but I guess I'm part of the problem.

https://www.ruck.co.uk/orange-card-world-rugby-confirm-five-new-laws-for-2023-rugby-world-cup/3/

[Machpants]

@Bones said in Rugby World Cup news:

@Machpants said in Rugby World Cup news:

@Bones said in Rugby World Cup news:

@sparky didn't I see the other day that they're doing the 20 minute red card now, unless it's deemed deliberate foul play?

No. They are only doing the yellow first then bunker has ten minutes to confirm yellow or upgrade to red

I don't know how ruck still exist, but I guess I'm part of the problem.

https://www.ruck.co.uk/orange-card-world-rugby-confirm-five-new-laws-for-2023-rugby-world-cup/3/

I think they were basing that off a rumour "contrary to recent reports..."

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/20-minute-red-card-will-not-feature-at-the-rugby-world-cup/

[Bones]

https://www.balls.ie/rugby/ireland-italy-tactic-566634

[mariner4life]

how is that even remotely legal? i would love to see the loophole where this ignores the offside rule, the obstruction rule, and the taking people out past the ball rule.

[Bones]

@mariner4life It's actually linked to something that I mentioned a while ago that is becoming more prominent - tacklers getting tackled (removed) off the ball carrier, which is being completely ignored by refs but I can't see how it would be legal.

[mariner4life]

this is taking it way past that. this is allowing a guy to come from anywhere and "tackle" someone trying to form a ruck. And it's not exactly subtle.

As the article says, they surely got a ruling, so i would love to hear that explanation

[gt12]

Fucking hell, I don't know what that is, but it's not rugby.

[taniwharugby]

well I'm sure if McCaw had done it, they'd be changing the rules to stop him, agree though, technically legal maybe, just looks all kinds of wrong.

[Bones]

@mariner4life if you're ignoring the scenario I mentioned, then it's the logical next step to ignore what Ireland are doing.

[mariner4life]

@Bones said in Rugby World Cup news:

@mariner4life if you're ignoring the scenario I mentioned, then it's the logical next step to ignore what Ireland are doing.

i get materiality is a thing

but that looks pretty fucking material

[Stargazer]

@Bones said in Rugby World Cup news:

https://www.balls.ie/rugby/ireland-italy-tactic-566634

I really can't see how that's legal.

This should be the subject of one of those official law clarifications that national unions can ask from World Rugby. Do it before the RWC; don't wait until it happens in a RWC match.

[Bones]

@Stargazer Hell no! Do it the week you play Ireland so they have to train for another way and have their plans thrown into turmoil if it's found to be illegal.

[mariner4life]

better yet, get the ref on-side without involving them so they get penalised off the park in the first half, and then don't have a ruck plan any more

they'll just fall back on teh gang tackle and collapse all over the ruck they've been using for 4 years

[booboo]

Doesn't a tackle create an offside line?

Or just a gate?

[antipodean]

@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:

Doesn't a tackle create an offside line?

Or just a gate?

Offside line.

[gt12]

@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup news:

@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:

Doesn't a tackle create an offside line?

Or just a gate?

Offside line.

I don't understand why they aren't in breach of 14.8c

8. Other players must :
a. Remain on their feet and release the ball and the ball-carrier immediately.
b. Remain on their feet when they play the ball.
c. Arrive at the tackle from the direction of their own goal line before playing the ball.
d. Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground
near the tackle.

I guess the purpose is to avoid an offside line being formed to get around law 14.10? I think it's very flimsy but if they take out the player before they are over the ball, there may not be an offside line?

Offside lines are created at a tackle when at least one player is on their feet and over the ball, which is on the ground. Each team ís offside line runs parallel to the goal line through the hindmost point of any player in the tackle or on their feet over the ball. If that point is on or behind the goal line, the offside line for that team is the goal line.

[antipodean]

As most of us have pointed out, you can't go tackling people without the ball. You can't go tackling people who aren't part of the ruck.

I see no way under the laws of the game it can be legal.