Rugby World Cup general discussion
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World Rugby distancing themselves from the decision already. Pro-World Rugby sources are saying the independent panel was put together by Six Nations Rugby. Utter farce!
@sparky said in Rugby World Cup news:
World Rugby distancing themselves from the decision already. Pro-World Rugby sources are saying the independent panel was put together by Six Nations Rugby. Utter farce!
If 6N put that together then you would have assumed that Farrell would have been banned
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@kiwiinmelb said in Rugby World Cup news:
They have set a dangerous precedent now for the world cup just around the corner,
Any high tackles and people will be expecting leniency using this as the most recent example ,
Can of worms
No, precedent had already been set, it is just so often ignored by the judiciary. Its like they never look at other decisions, and start from scratch every time, bizarre. Nothing has changed about the results of these panels
@Machpants yeah problem is no 2 incidents are identical so hard to say a precedent has been set by this or previous hearings, but as I said earlier, the key is to not plead guilty anymore.
Given they often term as foul play rather than accidental, in my mind foul play is filth or being a fluffybunny, whereas accidental is, well, accidental.
Words.
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@Machpants yeah problem is no 2 incidents are identical so hard to say a precedent has been set by this or previous hearings, but as I said earlier, the key is to not plead guilty anymore.
Given they often term as foul play rather than accidental, in my mind foul play is filth or being a fluffybunny, whereas accidental is, well, accidental.
Words.
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup news:
Words
Definitely. Is it accidental if the perpetrator is being careless/reckless?
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@canefan said in Rugby World Cup news:
The French hate the English anyway, maybe the crowd can give him the Quade Cooper treatment and boo him everytime he touches the ball?
Hopefully the Irish will start this weekend
Would love to see the look on his Dad's face if it does happen
@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup news:
@canefan said in Rugby World Cup news:
The French hate the English anyway, maybe the crowd can give him the Quade Cooper treatment and boo him everytime he touches the ball?
Hopefully the Irish will start this weekend
Would love to see the look on his Dad's face if it does happen
Outraged
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@Dan54 said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Dan54 Yep, two judiciary panels and two different offences.
Farrell - dangerous tackle - Law 9.13 - mid-range: suspension of 6 games if guilty
Moala - tip tackle - Law 9.18 - mid-range: suspension of 10 games if guiltyThe thing is, Farrell by all means looked guillty and because of the head contact, should have a mid-range starting point, but what Moala did probably didn't warrant a mid-range starting point, because the Canadian player didn't land dangerously (as far as I can see) and they should have applied a low-range starting point of 6 games. I can't remember Moala being a repeat offender, so he'd ended up with a 3-week ban. Farrell is a repeat offender but gets off the hook every damn time, so they'll probably consider him having a blank sheet, too.
Result would and should have (at least) been 3 weeks suspension for both, but we end up with Moala getting 5 and Farrell zero.
Mate I not arguing about what I thought was right or wrong, made it clear I thought he should go for at least 6 weeks. Merely saying all the teeth gnashing a waste of time, it is not a WR cock up, I think it a judiciary one. And even comparing Moal's sentence and Farrell is like hitting yourself, one was found guilty and one was found not guilty, probably because (like in a lot of law courts) he had a good lawyer. Easier to just move on.
Who elects / assembles the disciplinary panel?
The Government of the country in which the incident took place?
Or World Rugby?
@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Dan54 said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Dan54 Yep, two judiciary panels and two different offences.
Farrell - dangerous tackle - Law 9.13 - mid-range: suspension of 6 games if guilty
Moala - tip tackle - Law 9.18 - mid-range: suspension of 10 games if guiltyThe thing is, Farrell by all means looked guillty and because of the head contact, should have a mid-range starting point, but what Moala did probably didn't warrant a mid-range starting point, because the Canadian player didn't land dangerously (as far as I can see) and they should have applied a low-range starting point of 6 games. I can't remember Moala being a repeat offender, so he'd ended up with a 3-week ban. Farrell is a repeat offender but gets off the hook every damn time, so they'll probably consider him having a blank sheet, too.
Result would and should have (at least) been 3 weeks suspension for both, but we end up with Moala getting 5 and Farrell zero.
Mate I not arguing about what I thought was right or wrong, made it clear I thought he should go for at least 6 weeks. Merely saying all the teeth gnashing a waste of time, it is not a WR cock up, I think it a judiciary one. And even comparing Moal's sentence and Farrell is like hitting yourself, one was found guilty and one was found not guilty, probably because (like in a lot of law courts) he had a good lawyer. Easier to just move on.
Who elects / assembles the disciplinary panel?
The Government of the country in which the incident took place?
Or World Rugby?
Have no idea Mike. I assume there is some kind of board or something.
Never really something I thought about. There must be someway it done, is there a worldwide group of names of legal people and ex players etc? -
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup news:
Words
Definitely. Is it accidental if the perpetrator is being careless/reckless?
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@Bones well I would prefer to be charged with catekess driving than reckless driving...anyway we have had this discussion before so I'll stop now.
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bones well I would prefer to be charged with catekess driving than reckless driving...anyway we have had this discussion before so I'll stop now.
I’d hate to be charged with catekess driving too. Sounds bad!
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catekess: carelessness, but with less care.
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I hate myself for agreeing with Nasty Sonja, but I agree with Sonja.
https://x.com/sonjamclaughlan/status/1691732423657066912?s=46
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@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
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@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
@NTA said in Rugby World Cup news:
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
They are clearly feeling the heat. In Dublin they are spending all their time trying to work out how lenient they can be and get away with it
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@NTA said in Rugby World Cup news:
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
They are clearly feeling the heat. In Dublin they are spending all their time trying to work out how lenient they can be and get away with it
@canefan said in Rugby World Cup news:
@NTA said in Rugby World Cup news:
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
They are clearly feeling the heat. In Dublin they are spending all their time trying to work out how lenient they can be and get away with it
Just look at how pathetic Sexton's sentence was, and halve it
Seriously if I'd said that to a match official here in club land I'd get 6 weeks and probably 12.
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I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
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i cant believe they didnt give him say 3 weeks, miss a couple of warm up matches and a group game...back fresh for play offs.....the outcry over a "light" sentence would die off much quicker than clearing him
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby World Cup news:
i cant believe they didnt give him say 3 weeks, miss a couple of warm up matches and a group game...back fresh for play offs.....the outcry over a "light" sentence would die off much quicker than clearing him
From memory, Low End for dangerous tackle starts at 2 weeks. No reduction in this case as he's a repeat offender and should have learned his lesson at tackle school.
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Interesting from Dawson, an English WC winner
@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup news:
Interesting from Dawson, an English WC winner
Except he's being obtuse ot outstandingly ignorant. Community rugby has a clear guideline for waist or below.
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I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
@chimoaus said in Rugby World Cup news:
I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
That's not a bad idea at all Chim, same if it's wanted to increase the sentence, can still have a judiciary hearing. Though to be fair should still be in same timeline etc.
