Rugby World Cup general discussion
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@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Argentina have looked like dogshit so far, so it would be big for them to suddenly tip up Wales.
agreed, but Wales have been poor for a while, and Aussie served the game up on a plate today. Wales will start deserved favourites but seeing them tipped over would not surprise.
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Argentina have looked like dogshit so far, so it would be big for them to suddenly tip up Wales.
agreed, but Wales have been poor for a while, and Aussie served the game up on a plate today. Wales will start deserved favourites but seeing them tipped over would not surprise.
Agree. Given where we were less than 12 months ago - losing to Georgia in Cardiff, coach being fired, general chaos - the idea that we have a shot at making a semifinal is barely believable.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Argentina have looked like dogshit so far, so it would be big for them to suddenly tip up Wales.
agreed, but Wales have been poor for a while, and Aussie served the game up on a plate today. Wales will start deserved favourites but seeing them tipped over would not surprise.
Agree. Given where we were less than 12 months ago - losing to Georgia in Cardiff, coach being fired, general chaos - the idea that we have a shot at making a semifinal is barely believable.
@GibbonRib said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Argentina have looked like dogshit so far, so it would be big for them to suddenly tip up Wales.
agreed, but Wales have been poor for a while, and Aussie served the game up on a plate today. Wales will start deserved favourites but seeing them tipped over would not surprise.
Agree. Given where we were less than 12 months ago - losing to Georgia in Cardiff, coach being fired, general chaos - the idea that we have a shot at making a semifinal is barely believable.
this might be one of Gatland's biggest achievements. United the team, gave them some clear direction, and they are reaping the benefits. They were so professional dismantling Australia today.
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@GibbonRib said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Argentina have looked like dogshit so far, so it would be big for them to suddenly tip up Wales.
agreed, but Wales have been poor for a while, and Aussie served the game up on a plate today. Wales will start deserved favourites but seeing them tipped over would not surprise.
Agree. Given where we were less than 12 months ago - losing to Georgia in Cardiff, coach being fired, general chaos - the idea that we have a shot at making a semifinal is barely believable.
this might be one of Gatland's biggest achievements. United the team, gave them some clear direction, and they are reaping the benefits. They were so professional dismantling Australia today.
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@GibbonRib said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Argentina have looked like dogshit so far, so it would be big for them to suddenly tip up Wales.
agreed, but Wales have been poor for a while, and Aussie served the game up on a plate today. Wales will start deserved favourites but seeing them tipped over would not surprise.
Agree. Given where we were less than 12 months ago - losing to Georgia in Cardiff, coach being fired, general chaos - the idea that we have a shot at making a semifinal is barely believable.
this might be one of Gatland's biggest achievements. United the team, gave them some clear direction, and they are reaping the benefits. They were so professional dismantling Australia today.
Like most things done well, it looked simple too. Kick long within your 22, kick contestables outside but put them in their half, and ensure they can't use their set piece as a platform.
I'm not surprised that Gatland said they had clarity and a good training week for this game. It looked it.
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territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
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territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
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@mariner4life Also our kick chase has been poor
@Duluth said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life Also our kick chase has been poor
yeah, weirdly. Some of it is decision making, like v France where we put up a high kick to the wing of the guy who took the previous run. I also don't think we kick high enough to give ourselves a chance.
The flip side is we don't protect our wingers well then teams kick to us.
Fuck, we're bad at detail aren't we?
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territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
Yet the only decent kicker in the squad is Roigard who can't crack the 23 and if he does is unlikely to get many minutes.
Edit - I'll add DMac shows some ability with punting but likewise he can't crack the 23
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
Yet the only decent kicker in the squad is Roigard who can't crack the 23 and if he does is unlikely to get many minutes.
Edit - I'll add DMac shows some ability with punting but likewise he can't crack the 23
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
Yet the only decent kicker in the squad is Roigard who can't crack the 23 and if he does is unlikely to get many minutes.
Edit - I'll add DMac shows some ability with punting but likewise he can't crack the 23
DMac is easily our best 10 for this Cup but will not make the 23
I have very high hopes for he and Roigard next year
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@Duluth said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life Also our kick chase has been poor
yeah, weirdly. Some of it is decision making, like v France where we put up a high kick to the wing of the guy who took the previous run. I also don't think we kick high enough to give ourselves a chance.
The flip side is we don't protect our wingers well then teams kick to us.
Fuck, we're bad at detail aren't we?
@mariner4life also one of our better chasers, instead of contesting in the air as he usually does, stayed on the ground (at least 3 occasions that I can recall) and got carded for clattering into the man in the air.
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territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
This 100% and exactly how the Chiefs played this year only to fail at the end. If Foster cannot see the meta every other top coach can then he really is a muppet.
Penalties for holding on has almost become a strategy and viable option and where NZ really struggles. IRE and SA are two of the best at this and even they could not protect the ball carrier on every carry, if you get pinged in your 50 for holding on and its 3 points or 5 meter lineout. That is what makes spreading it wide in your 50 so dangerous, Telea got caught a number of times and others too.
I would argue exiting is getting as important as set piece, the inability to exit your half just lead to pressure and points. Of all the teams at the WC you will notice they will almost always have someone who can exit to halfway. For us Jordie, Dmac, Roigard are arguably the best, Stevenson of course at home could also play this roll. Having Telea, CC and BB means we simply don't have anyone back there that will win a kicking territory contest.
I think the AB's rate players on attacking ability far too much, whereas NH sides seem to build their teams around defence, exits etc.
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territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
It seems simple, doesn't it!
A basic tenet of rugby - don't fuck around in your own half and especially not in your own 22.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
This 100% and exactly how the Chiefs played this year only to fail at the end. If Foster cannot see the meta every other top coach can then he really is a muppet.
Penalties for holding on has almost become a strategy and viable option and where NZ really struggles. IRE and SA are two of the best at this and even they could not protect the ball carrier on every carry, if you get pinged in your 50 for holding on and its 3 points or 5 meter lineout. That is what makes spreading it wide in your 50 so dangerous, Telea got caught a number of times and others too.
I would argue exiting is getting as important as set piece, the inability to exit your half just lead to pressure and points. Of all the teams at the WC you will notice they will almost always have someone who can exit to halfway. For us Jordie, Dmac, Roigard are arguably the best, Stevenson of course at home could also play this roll. Having Telea, CC and BB means we simply don't have anyone back there that will win a kicking territory contest.
I think the AB's rate players on attacking ability far too much, whereas NH sides seem to build their teams around defence, exits etc.
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@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:
The kicking game in the first half I thought was the best we've done all year.
It seemed once all was lost in the final 20 that we reverted to the norm.
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:
The kicking game in the first half I thought was the best we've done all year.
It seemed once all was lost in the final 20 that we reverted to the norm.
@antipodean the subs and the card were the catalyst IMO
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:
The kicking game in the first half I thought was the best we've done all year.
It seemed once all was lost in the final 20 that we reverted to the norm.
@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:
The kicking game in the first half I thought was the best we've done all year.
It seemed once all was lost in the final 20 that we reverted to the norm.
it was the aimless ones once we got in their half late in the game that killed me. We were down, and we just kept giving them the ball back, and not in a good way.
They ran out of ideas
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Fiji with less than ten penalties last four games, abs should've got Glenn on board
Have we ever done less than ten in the last four years?
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DuPont on his return
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so Deysel got 6 weeks down to 5...doesnt seem any different to many of the others that got less.
Is the end result here a factor?
