All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Pretty sure we played our dirt trackers against Sydney.
Yep.
Terry Wright, Eric Rush, Marc Ellis, Matthew Cooper, Eroni Clarke, Stephen Bachop, Jon Preston, Pat Lam, Dallas Seymour, Andy Earl, Mark Cooksley, Blair Larsen, Graham Purvis, Graham Dowd and Steve McDowall
That was still a very strong Sydney team. Simon Poidevin was captain.
Hartill
M. Bell
A. Blades
T. Kava (C)
W. W. Waugh
M. C. Brial
S. Poidevin
B. T. Gavin
A. Ekert (Payne)
T. Wallace
P. Jorgensen
L. F. Walker
R. C. Tombs
D. K. Junee
T. P. KelaherI think most had played or went on to play for Aus.
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Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
Seeing him trying to beat someone on the outside late in the game was just embarrassing.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
Seeing him trying to beat someone on the outside late in the game was just embarrassing.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
Seeing him trying to beat someone on the outside late in the game was just embarrassing.
To think many thought Goodhew and ALB were going to anchor the AB midfield years back
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Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
Absolute nonsense
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC
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a few players who are staying for 2024 are not gong to make the AB's next year.
ALB,B Barret,Clarke,Cane,Vaai,Newell,Ofa,Jacobson,Christie, are all in danger IMO.
Williams I think will stay he has some upsides. Size and can play both sides of the scrum.
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a few players who are staying for 2024 are not gong to make the AB's next year.
ALB,B Barret,Clarke,Cane,Vaai,Newell,Ofa,Jacobson,Christie, are all in danger IMO.
Williams I think will stay he has some upsides. Size and can play both sides of the scrum.
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
a few players who are staying for 2024 are not gong to make the AB's next year.
ALB,B Barret,Clarke,Cane,Vaai,Newell,Ofa,Jacobson,Christie, are all in danger IMO.
Williams I think will stay he has some upsides. Size and can play both sides of the scrum.
This RWC is their big chance at a last hurrah then. It's gonna be tough
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@MiketheSnow Uncle Gregor has a point though, with the seemingly arbitrary use of replay. And it’s nicely written!
@game_film said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow Uncle Gregor has a point though, with the seemingly arbitrary use of replay. And it’s nicely written!
“It became impossible to tell and it would be interesting to know how many TV viewers began scanning their phones 20 minutes into the match at Twickenham – half watching the game, half scrolling Instagram in the hope it might provide the entertainment that the rugby couldn’t”
Anyone who was doing that was obviously not in charge of the remote and didn’t want to watch the match in the first place
What tripe
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@game_film said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow Uncle Gregor has a point though, with the seemingly arbitrary use of replay. And it’s nicely written!
“It became impossible to tell and it would be interesting to know how many TV viewers began scanning their phones 20 minutes into the match at Twickenham – half watching the game, half scrolling Instagram in the hope it might provide the entertainment that the rugby couldn’t”
Anyone who was doing that was obviously not in charge of the remote and didn’t want to watch the match in the first place
What tripe
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Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
Call me hindsight Harry, but I wanted to post something fairly similar when I saw the bench.
It was made worse by the fact that Bok 23 was named well in advance. Nche is probably the Bok's best scrummaging LH, and same can be said for Nbonambi at hooker. And Nyakane their no. 2 TH. With serious power in second row.
Both Vaa'i and Lord are LH locks, so it ought to have been clear second half scrums were going to be a BIG challenge.
So Nepo and Ofa ought to have been a given.
Likewise, Finau would have been closest LFL swap for Frizell.
Of course, that's assuming to win the Qatar Cup was the priority.
Obviously not. At the cost of the Baby Blacks getting a spanking in second half, TWM have learned some pretty important lessons for French game, one being that the mobile, looser, forwards which prosper in Super get found out against the top level in the tight.
The biggest issue is the injury squeeze with BBBR and Frizell, as that leaves us without a heavy duty 6.
To paraphrase the Matrix, 'Tell me, Mr. Foster, what good is a gamebreaking winger, if you're unable to secure any pill?'.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
Absolute nonsense
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
Call me hindsight Harry, but I wanted to post something fairly similar when I saw the bench.
It was made worse by the fact that Bok 23 was named well in advance. Nche is probably the Bok's best scrummaging LH, and same can be said for Nbonambi at hooker. And Nyakane their no. 2 TH. With serious power in second row.
Both Vaa'i and Lord are LH locks, so it ought to have been clear second half scrums were going to be a BIG challenge.
So Nepo and Ofa ought to have been a given.
Likewise, Finau would have been closest LFL swap for Frizell.
Of course, that's assuming to win the Qatar Cup was the priority.
Obviously not. At the cost of the Baby Blacks getting a spanking in second half, TWM have learned some pretty important lessons for French game, one being that the mobile, looser, forwards which prosper in Super get found out against the top level in the tight.
The biggest issue is the injury squeeze with BBBR and Frizell, as that leaves us without a heavy duty 6.
To paraphrase the Matrix, 'Tell me, Mr. Foster, what good is a gamebreaking winger, if you're unable to secure any pill?'.
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Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
At least papalii is there to lead the resistance
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
Will be interesting to see if the yellow is rescinded if there was no illegal contact.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
No attempt to bind
Off feetYes I know it goes on at nearly every ruck but it's still against the laws
Already on a YC and right in front of the ref is some real dumb shit
So I'll change my view to 3 on the clumsy / dumb side of the scale
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@MiketheSnow Did you watch the show? They showed two clean outs to the heads of All Blacks. Scott’s was to the right of the ball, and yes worthy of a penalty, but not to head. Your dirt rating assumes intent which is just speculation.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow Did you watch the show? They showed two clean outs to the heads of All Blacks. Scott’s was to the right of the ball, and yes worthy of a penalty, but not to head. Your dirt rating assumes intent which is just speculation.
See the previous reply
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
No attempt to bind
Off feetYes I know it goes on at nearly every ruck but it's still against the laws
Already on a YC and right in front of the ref is some real dumb shit
So I'll change my view to 3 on the clumsy / dumb side of the scale
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
No attempt to bind
Off feetYeah, that is less legal ...
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Two things I thought at the game
Can't blame AB backs at all, AB forwards were destroyed
Missing McCaw leadership. Roigard brought it funnily enough. Focused. Gave me heartAnd Carter’s sweeping left boot, and Nonu’s ball carrying, and Read’s running with reckless abandon, and Kaino’s breakdown work, and Owen Franks scrum and clean outs, and Bender’s jinky runs …
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Two things I thought at the game
Can't blame AB backs at all, AB forwards were destroyed
Missing McCaw leadership. Roigard brought it funnily enough. Focused. Gave me heartAnd Carter’s sweeping left boot, and Nonu’s ball carrying, and Read’s running with reckless abandon, and Kaino’s breakdown work, and Owen Franks scrum and clean outs, and Bender’s jinky runs …
and Conrad’s coolness
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
Absolute nonsense
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
Absolute nonsense
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC
I don’t mind the fact that someone in our team felt compelled to whack Marx, even if it was a bit of a cheap shot - but it was just on the wrong side of the line between enforcement and grubbery given Marx was prone - if he’d done something similar while Marx was standing in the ruck we’d all be applauding it
