All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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High quality ferning @nta and @pakman
Think it’d tempt @Red-Beard and @BartMan out of retirement.
Wish refs would let the packs have at it for at least the first two or three scrums and then only blow the obvious skullduggery. But I feel the same way about mauls and rucks. And lineouts.
Let forwards have a contest and they’ll actually do it - leaving space for the glory boys, opensides, to score tries. Put another way: marginal whistles tend to protect weaker teams and encourage gamesmanship.
@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
High quality ferning @nta and @pakman
Think it’d tempt @Red-Beard and @BartMan out of retirement.
Wish refs would let the packs have at it for at least the first two or three scrums and then only blow the obvious skullduggery. But I feel the same way about mauls and rucks. And lineouts.
Let forwards have a contest and they’ll actually do it - leaving space for the glory boys, opensides, to score tries. Put another way: marginal whistles tend to protect weaker teams and encourage gamesmanship.
A very good point.
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There's too much negativity on here. We can still win this.
Didn't have a shit show vs SA after 15 minutes man down and penalty avalanche.
Schmidt and Ryan are smart will adapt.
Cut out all cute shite inside our own half.
Use JB's boot more.
Value territory more.
Fast paced pick n goes.
Patience be prepared to go through the phases.
We have played some outstanding rugby in the last 9 months. We can do it -
I hope we can. Know we can't. Foster simply hasn't given the A team enough time together. Hell, 2007, 2011, 2015 we pretty much had the same team of core players. A year out from the RWC Foster almost loses to Scotland, England and Japan because he keeps changing the side. 2023, he had the opportunity to play most of the squad through Bled II and SA with weeks between each test and didn't. They aren't fatigued. I predicted we would lose this test, I didn't predict we'd lose so badly.
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@Higgins said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
Utter fucking nonsense.
So a28 point loss isn't objectively the worst ever? Carry on in your dream world. He at no point in the interview admits anything but good learnings. Not 'we didn't prepare well enough' nor 'the tactics weren't quite right' doing shitty little kicks in our 22.Just we will learn. Except they don't and haven't over the last 6 odd years
Losing to Munster 12-0 in 78 is the worst ever…
No it's not, I well remember a real spanking against Sydney 17 - 40 at Penrith in 1992 that was the ultimate pits. That's the same year we had an unbeaten tour of Sth Africa!
That NSW side was basically the Wallabies other than about 3 players. And I think the margin was bigger than that!
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Higgins said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
Utter fucking nonsense.
So a28 point loss isn't objectively the worst ever? Carry on in your dream world. He at no point in the interview admits anything but good learnings. Not 'we didn't prepare well enough' nor 'the tactics weren't quite right' doing shitty little kicks in our 22.Just we will learn. Except they don't and haven't over the last 6 odd years
Losing to Munster 12-0 in 78 is the worst ever…
No it's not, I well remember a real spanking against Sydney 17 - 40 at Penrith in 1992 that was the ultimate pits. That's the same year we had an unbeaten tour of Sth Africa!
That NSW side was basically the Wallabies other than about 3 players.
Literally everything you've said there is wrong. It was a Sydney invitational, not NSW and none of the starting XVs were the same.
Sydney:
M. N. Hartill
M. Bell
A. Blades
T. Kava (C)
W. W. Waugh
M. C. Brial
S. P. Poidevin
B. T. Gavin
A. Ekert
T. Wallace
P. Jorgensen
L. F. Walker
R. C. Tombs
D. K. Junee
T. P. KelaherWallabies:
A. J. Daly
P. N. Kearns
E. J. A. McKenzie
R. J. McCall
J. A. Eales
T. Coker
D. J. Wilson
S. J. N. Scott-Young
N. C. Farr-Jones (C)
M. P. Lynagh
P. V. Carozza
T. J. Horan
J. S. Little
D. I. Campese
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There's too much negativity on here. We can still win this.
Didn't have a shit show vs SA after 15 minutes man down and penalty avalanche.
Schmidt and Ryan are smart will adapt.
Cut out all cute shite inside our own half.
Use JB's boot more.
Value territory more.
Fast paced pick n goes.
Patience be prepared to go through the phases.
We have played some outstanding rugby in the last 9 months. We can do it@BerniesCorner My guess is that we’ll go deep into this competition, but not win it. Semi Finalist and Finalist, we’ve got lots of talent and the ability to play in multiple ways. I think Friday night was something of a perfect storm.
But we are still not the strongest up front, nor do we have the leadership to cope where multiple things go wrong or lots of bad luck.
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There's too much negativity on here. We can still win this.
Didn't have a shit show vs SA after 15 minutes man down and penalty avalanche.
Schmidt and Ryan are smart will adapt.
Cut out all cute shite inside our own half.
Use JB's boot more.
Value territory more.
Fast paced pick n goes.
Patience be prepared to go through the phases.
We have played some outstanding rugby in the last 9 months. We can do it@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
There's too much negativity on here. We can still win this.
Didn't have a shit show vs SA after 15 minutes man down and penalty avalanche.
Schmidt and Ryan are smart will adapt.
Cut out all cute shite inside our own half.
Use JB's boot more.
Value territory more.
Fast paced pick n goes.
Patience be prepared to go through the phases.
We have played some outstanding rugby in the last 9 months. We can do itThe problem is everything you mention above has been known for a long time and the fact Foster has not implemented it is very concerning.
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@BerniesCorner My guess is that we’ll go deep into this competition, but not win it. Semi Finalist and Finalist, we’ve got lots of talent and the ability to play in multiple ways. I think Friday night was something of a perfect storm.
But we are still not the strongest up front, nor do we have the leadership to cope where multiple things go wrong or lots of bad luck.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner My guess is that we’ll go deep into this competition, but not win it. Semi Finalist and Finalist, we’ve got lots of talent and the ability to play in multiple ways. I think Friday night was something of a perfect storm.
But we are still not the strongest up front, nor do we have the leadership to cope where multiple things go wrong or lots of bad luck.
If I had to take a stab , I would guess we will have a significant victory somewhere, where the faith gets restored ( like mt smart )
Then follow that up with a significant loss , just feels like a destiny thing with this team to me .
But I want that to be wrong and I’ll be celebrating more than anyone should we pull it off .
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
Absolute nonsense
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC
I don’t mind the fact that someone in our team felt compelled to whack Marx, even if it was a bit of a cheap shot - but it was just on the wrong side of the line between enforcement and grubbery given Marx was prone - if he’d done something similar while Marx was standing in the ruck we’d all be applauding it
@junior and this is the problem with players cleaning out as they continue to do (something that we have seen throughout the past couple of years)
Fly in at pace, throwing themselves at a player who is being a nuisance but not really affecting things, all it would have taken was for Marx to twist slightly and SB could be facing a long ban.
If players had to bind prior to hitting a ruck it would take away some of these exocet clean outs and refs were tougher on players lying around the ball too.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner My guess is that we’ll go deep into this competition, but not win it. Semi Finalist and Finalist, we’ve got lots of talent and the ability to play in multiple ways. I think Friday night was something of a perfect storm.
But we are still not the strongest up front, nor do we have the leadership to cope where multiple things go wrong or lots of bad luck.
If I had to take a stab , I would guess we will have a significant victory somewhere, where the faith gets restored ( like mt smart )
Then follow that up with a significant loss , just feels like a destiny thing with this team to me .
But I want that to be wrong and I’ll be celebrating more than anyone should we pull it off .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner My guess is that we’ll go deep into this competition, but not win it. Semi Finalist and Finalist, we’ve got lots of talent and the ability to play in multiple ways. I think Friday night was something of a perfect storm.
But we are still not the strongest up front, nor do we have the leadership to cope where multiple things go wrong or lots of bad luck.
If I had to take a stab , I would guess we will have a significant victory somewhere, where the faith gets restored ( like mt smart )
Then follow that up with a significant loss , just feels like a destiny thing with this team to me .
But I want that to be wrong and I’ll be celebrating more than anyone should we pull it off .
Yeah. I see us potentially hammering France in the opening game then getting done in the quarters. Or perhaps a repeat of 2019 - qf reaming then poor sf loss. This team just seems much too flaky to win a tournament like this.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner My guess is that we’ll go deep into this competition, but not win it. Semi Finalist and Finalist, we’ve got lots of talent and the ability to play in multiple ways. I think Friday night was something of a perfect storm.
But we are still not the strongest up front, nor do we have the leadership to cope where multiple things go wrong or lots of bad luck.
If I had to take a stab , I would guess we will have a significant victory somewhere, where the faith gets restored ( like mt smart )
Then follow that up with a significant loss , just feels like a destiny thing with this team to me .
But I want that to be wrong and I’ll be celebrating more than anyone should we pull it off .
Yeah. I see us potentially hammering France in the opening game then getting done in the quarters. Or perhaps a repeat of 2019 - qf reaming then poor sf loss. This team just seems much too flaky to win a tournament like this.
@Rancid-Schnitzel winning 3 big games on the trot (especially when you consider who the 1st 2 are likely to be) was always going to be hard, regardless of how we were tracking, but agree this side seems to lack the instincts and adaptability to do it.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel winning 3 big games on the trot (especially when you consider who the 1st 2 are likely to be) was always going to be hard, regardless of how we were tracking, but agree this side seems to lack the instincts and adaptability to do it.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Rancid-Schnitzel winning 3 big games on the trot (especially when you consider who the 1st 2 are likely to be) was always going to be hard, regardless of how we were tracking, but agree this side seems to lack the instincts and adaptability to do it.
It think it was mentioned that it's about winning despite having an off day. That used to be an AB speciality. Now if we have an off day we fall apart and get spanked.
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Well it's good to see Foster is back to his record setting ways, though I don't think he'll be able to grace us with anymore records at the RWC as we've already been bundled out in the 1/4 finals prior and I don't think he'll be able to top that.
Our forward pack got bullied and beaten up, unfortunately without BBR, Scooter (to stay on the field) and Frizzle (can't believe I'm saying that) we lacked the ability to carry the ball forward. The thing is those 3 can carry the ball, their replacements just can't.
We play a pod system which is only effective if you break the advantage line (you need a good ball carrier in each pod) to get you quick ball and go-forward otherwise you simply go sideways across the field. RM and BB then lack a tactical distance kicking game to get us out of trouble so lots of lateral movement stuck in our own half going for cute plays to try and generate some attack.
Defense was brave but again we lost the physical battle, it's pretty easy to not give away penalties - you don't put your hands in the ruck and you make sure your behind the last feet. However if your doing that but just getting beaten up and loosing meters then sometimes it boils down to pushing the envelope to try and slow the ball down or turn it over and thus penalties ensue.
I would hope it's that and not the fact that the players don't trust each other or the defensive patterns to work hence they "take it upon themselves". That's the worst case scenario though given McLeod's defensive patterns of late it might be true.
Just a horror game, we can only flush the dunny and move on, RSA prime favorites to take this RWC at a canter unless Ireland or France can bully their forward pack.
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This maybe the wake up call we need B 4 the WC. They needed a couple of more warm up games IMHO. This is just a shit show of unbelievable proportions.
@mencey said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
This maybe the wake up call we need B 4 the WC. They needed a couple of more warm up games IMHO. This is just a shit show of unbelievable proportions.
so...the last 4 years haven't been enough of a wake up call? losses to argentina, series losses at home to ireland....but this, final game right before the RWC...this is the wake up call?
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Well it's good to see Foster is back to his record setting ways, though I don't think he'll be able to grace us with anymore records at the RWC as we've already been bundled out in the 1/4 finals prior and I don't think he'll be able to top that.
Our forward pack got bullied and beaten up, unfortunately without BBR, Scooter (to stay on the field) and Frizzle (can't believe I'm saying that) we lacked the ability to carry the ball forward. The thing is those 3 can carry the ball, their replacements just can't.
We play a pod system which is only effective if you break the advantage line (you need a good ball carrier in each pod) to get you quick ball and go-forward otherwise you simply go sideways across the field. RM and BB then lack a tactical distance kicking game to get us out of trouble so lots of lateral movement stuck in our own half going for cute plays to try and generate some attack.
Defense was brave but again we lost the physical battle, it's pretty easy to not give away penalties - you don't put your hands in the ruck and you make sure your behind the last feet. However if your doing that but just getting beaten up and loosing meters then sometimes it boils down to pushing the envelope to try and slow the ball down or turn it over and thus penalties ensue.
I would hope it's that and not the fact that the players don't trust each other or the defensive patterns to work hence they "take it upon themselves". That's the worst case scenario though given McLeod's defensive patterns of late it might be true.
Just a horror game, we can only flush the dunny and move on, RSA prime favorites to take this RWC at a canter unless Ireland or France can bully their forward pack.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well it's good to see Foster is back to his record setting ways, though I don't think he'll be able to grace us with anymore records at the RWC as we've already been bundled out in the 1/4 finals prior and I don't think he'll be able to top that.
Italy?
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well it's good to see Foster is back to his record setting ways, though I don't think he'll be able to grace us with anymore records at the RWC as we've already been bundled out in the 1/4 finals prior and I don't think he'll be able to top that.
Italy?
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well it's good to see Foster is back to his record setting ways, though I don't think he'll be able to grace us with anymore records at the RWC as we've already been bundled out in the 1/4 finals prior and I don't think he'll be able to top that.
Italy?
Lol - not even I'm that fatalistic
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well it's good to see Foster is back to his record setting ways, though I don't think he'll be able to grace us with anymore records at the RWC as we've already been bundled out in the 1/4 finals prior and I don't think he'll be able to top that.
Italy?
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well it's good to see Foster is back to his record setting ways, though I don't think he'll be able to grace us with anymore records at the RWC as we've already been bundled out in the 1/4 finals prior and I don't think he'll be able to top that.
Italy?
I was just about to post a warning about Italy. We lose to France and the Italian game is huge. Traditionally they have a style we can struggle against, and Fozzie and his team do love to break records.
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@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
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Well it's good to see Foster is back to his record setting ways, though I don't think he'll be able to grace us with anymore records at the RWC as we've already been bundled out in the 1/4 finals prior and I don't think he'll be able to top that.
Our forward pack got bullied and beaten up, unfortunately without BBR, Scooter (to stay on the field) and Frizzle (can't believe I'm saying that) we lacked the ability to carry the ball forward. The thing is those 3 can carry the ball, their replacements just can't.
We play a pod system which is only effective if you break the advantage line (you need a good ball carrier in each pod) to get you quick ball and go-forward otherwise you simply go sideways across the field. RM and BB then lack a tactical distance kicking game to get us out of trouble so lots of lateral movement stuck in our own half going for cute plays to try and generate some attack.
Defense was brave but again we lost the physical battle, it's pretty easy to not give away penalties - you don't put your hands in the ruck and you make sure your behind the last feet. However if your doing that but just getting beaten up and loosing meters then sometimes it boils down to pushing the envelope to try and slow the ball down or turn it over and thus penalties ensue.
I would hope it's that and not the fact that the players don't trust each other or the defensive patterns to work hence they "take it upon themselves". That's the worst case scenario though given McLeod's defensive patterns of late it might be true.
Just a horror game, we can only flush the dunny and move on, RSA prime favorites to take this RWC at a canter unless Ireland or France can bully their forward pack.
@Windows97 nah he's going to get the first ever loss in a pool game 'record'
