RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@pakman said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Couple of times, had he nudged go weds on when a bit isolated
Wtf
@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@pakman said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Couple of times, had he nudged go weds on when a bit isolated
Wtf
I would have thought it was quite self explanatory. What part don't you get?
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I can’t believe you’re bagging the only guy who looked like scoring all night
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I can’t believe you’re bagging the only guy who looked like scoring all night
@MiketheSnow not sure people are bagging him, but the penalties for holding on are an improvement that needs to be made to his (very impressive) game. My old man said to me be a couple of days ago that Talea was prone to getting a bit isolated. I responded that he ends up away from his support on occasions because he beats opposition that nobody expects him to. I think there were 3 holding on penalties against him in this match? Obviously I was looking for it after that conversation. The follow on to that discussion was whether it is better to give away the penalty, or trust your transition to defence.
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@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:
Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".
De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.
The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.
The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster had the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of sorry kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses
Ahh yes, the predictable lament that 'when we're good it's the assistants, when we're bad it's the head coach'. Those with a few more functioning synapses might start to look at the quality of player available and reflect on that body of evidence.
IMO you have to be a dimwit to believe that the problem is just the head coach.
@antipodean No one is denying we may have a drop in player quality but there is not alot can be done about that. We can do something about the coaching by ensuring (and as fans insisting) we have the best candidates possible in these roles.
Regardless our player quality which is not Italy, Scotland, Wales levels (we are still in the top tier) we should not be losing in the humiliating style we are.
I think most All Black fans can handle losing and not being No1 but what we hate is looking clueless and inept.
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I'm really pissed off. Leaderless. Bone headed. Brainless. No plan A, B, or C. No team spirit, no team. Worst team for as long as I can remember. Utterly dire. Where are the forwards? Whitelock is like someone's Nan, Retallick was past it three years ago. Both have given their all but are now spent. Why do we persist in trying to run out from the 22 every bloody time. Kick the ball away with moments to go. Tactically inept. Any chance we can play field position rather than trying to win the game from our own 22. Ultimately nowhere near good enough and zero smarts. The sooner this farce ends the better IMO. Just bloody embarassing. Infringement after infringement. We look like Dinosaurs. Take a bow Foster, ****** us in less than 5 years. Please leave.
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Captaincy seems to be an issue no matter who is captain.
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Captaincy seems to be an issue no matter who is captain.
@nostrildamus said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Captaincy seems to be an issue no matter who is captain.
Another brainless decision. You don't select Ardie to be your captain when he has won nothing as a captain. The obvious picks would be Whitelock and Barrett who are SR winning captains, Whitelock would be my preferred choice due to his seniority.
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I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
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I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
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@Joans-Town-Jones Much better than our tactics.
@KiwiMurph exactly my point. France essentially did the same to us. Mistake after mistake, maybe should have gone for the try instead of a kick for goal but France really didn't play anything from inside their own half.
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I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
That is what we used to be famous for. Sure we've had some brilliant attackers. But the aura was built on tough uncompromising defence, strong set piece work and relentless pressure placed on an opposition who will inevitably fold
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
That is what we used to be famous for. Sure we've had some brilliant attackers. But the aura was built on tough uncompromising defence, strong set piece work and relentless pressure placed on an opposition who will inevitably fold
@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
That is what we used to be famous for. Sure we've had some brilliant attackers. But the aura was built on tough uncompromising defence, strong set piece work and relentless pressure placed on an opposition who will inevitably fold
We also used to be famous for 10 man rugby.
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@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
That is what we used to be famous for. Sure we've had some brilliant attackers. But the aura was built on tough uncompromising defence, strong set piece work and relentless pressure placed on an opposition who will inevitably fold
We also used to be famous for 10 man rugby.
@Crazy-Horse but in the past 20 years or so we have been sucked into the illusion that good rugby is only scoring tries, and been pretty successful at it meaning we seem to have largely lost the ability to grind wins...no way could we have done what England did today, we'd have been pushing for tries all day.
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@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
That is what we used to be famous for. Sure we've had some brilliant attackers. But the aura was built on tough uncompromising defence, strong set piece work and relentless pressure placed on an opposition who will inevitably fold
We also used to be famous for 10 man rugby.
@Crazy-Horse said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
That is what we used to be famous for. Sure we've had some brilliant attackers. But the aura was built on tough uncompromising defence, strong set piece work and relentless pressure placed on an opposition who will inevitably fold
We also used to be famous for 10 man rugby.
That's what I was getting at
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@Crazy-Horse but in the past 20 years or so we have been sucked into the illusion that good rugby is only scoring tries, and been pretty successful at it meaning we seem to have largely lost the ability to grind wins...no way could we have done what England did today, we'd have been pushing for tries all day.
@taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Crazy-Horse but in the past 20 years or so we have been sucked into the illusion that good rugby is only scoring tries, and been pretty successful at it meaning we seem to have largely lost the ability to grind wins...no way could we have done what England did today, we'd have been pushing for tries all day.
Maybe in the late McCaw era, maybe. But you are right, winning ugly is still winning
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@Crazy-Horse but in the past 20 years or so we have been sucked into the illusion that good rugby is only scoring tries, and been pretty successful at it meaning we seem to have largely lost the ability to grind wins...no way could we have done what England did today, we'd have been pushing for tries all day.
@taniwharugby We'd be pushing the 50:50s and dinks
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@nostrildamus said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Captaincy seems to be an issue no matter who is captain.
Another brainless decision. You don't select Ardie to be your captain when he has won nothing as a captain. The obvious picks would be Whitelock and Barrett who are SR winning captains, Whitelock would be my preferred choice due to his seniority.
@akan004 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Captaincy seems to be an issue no matter who is captain.
Another brainless decision. You don't select Ardie to be your captain when he has won nothing as a captain. The obvious picks would be Whitelock and Barrett who are SR winning captains, Whitelock would be my preferred choice due to his seniority.
Super rugby success as a captain doesn't automatically translate to being a successful test captain. I'm non-plussed over Ardie or Sam or Scooter, but Sam had big losses to France and Ireland on one tour, and Scooter has a card habit.
I really don't think the result would have been different if one of those two, who let's not forget were both on the field as senior players, were captain.
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