RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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I am blaming Foster and Ryan too. To get the best out of Taukei’aho, and use his strengths, he should be starting, but they won't do it.
@Bovidae He was playing really well for the ABs and then wasn't selected. This ultra conservative selection policy favouring the incumbents has been a theme for a long time.
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I am blaming Foster and Ryan too. To get the best out of Taukei’aho, and use his strengths, he should be starting, but they won't do it.
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@ARHS said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Papalii starting - you must be kidding
Why? Who would you have?
@nostrildamus Cane and if he is not 100% fit then Blackadder.
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The mismanagement of ST is a black mark on teh coaching group. Leading up to the trot around against Namibia he has played the equivalent of two games since the Super Rugby final. Two fucking games
Taylor is just so very ordinary. ST should be a point of difference in our pack, instead he's left to wither on the vine as an inferior player racks up minute after average minute.
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The mismanagement of ST is a black mark on teh coaching group. Leading up to the trot around against Namibia he has played the equivalent of two games since the Super Rugby final. Two fucking games
Taylor is just so very ordinary. ST should be a point of difference in our pack, instead he's left to wither on the vine as an inferior player racks up minute after average minute.
@mariner4life More proof we shouldn't have a fat Cantabrian masquerading as a forwards coach.
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I don't get the logic of these coaches. They talk about the need to increase our physicality and then they pick lightweights like Vaa'i, Havili and ALB in the 33.
ST is a guy who we can't afford not to pick as he's one of those players who brings the go forward and physicality that this team desperately needs. Pick him ffs and play him back into form. Same with Leicester, he can act as another forward and can make good metres on the edges of the ruck. With a forward pack that doesn't have the punch needed, he is a must imo.
Ryan's coaching has been very disappointing over the last few test matches, he needs to step up.
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@Canes4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@KiwiMurph solid 23, I’d prefer Blackadder over Papali’i’ though.
Papali’i must be counting his lucky stars. He completely lacks any impact at this level.
Good to see Christie has been given the boot, and good to see McKenzie on the bench.
@george33 you were way off the money once again.
I am like you Canes, and think Papali'i is a bit fortunate, I understand bringing Cane off bench with only partial training load, but I also would pick Blackadder ahead of him!
I would add I not even sure I would have him at 7 for Blues if I was naming their team.@Dan54 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@KiwiMurph solid 23, I’d prefer Blackadder over Papali’i’ though.
Papali’i must be counting his lucky stars. He completely lacks any impact at this level.
Good to see Christie has been given the boot, and good to see McKenzie on the bench.
@george33 you were way off the money once again.
I am like you Canes, and think Papali'i is a bit fortunate, I understand bringing Cane off bench with only partial training load, but I also would pick Blackadder ahead of him!
I would add I not even sure I would have him at 7 for Blues if I was naming their team.Has anyone checked on @Tim ?
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ST hasn't been in the same form this year as last year but frankly the AB coaches should have more faith in him than they do - for example Codie Taylor seems to have a lot more leeway than other players.
That's not just hookers though - the likes of Papalii and Beauden seem to nearly always be picked regardless of performance.
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i know coaches will always have their favs but i feel fozzie has been by far the most blatant....several cant be dropped and others dont get a decent shot, Savea proves (and no one would argue hes coasting) players can play more than a couple of games in a row, one or two games without scoring a hattrick...dropped....several average or even poor games....fingers crossed you'll come right in the next one without anything to suggest that will happen
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The ex-wallabies guys were going on about how the lack of competition for spots mad their super teams switch off
Are we seeing the same thing from the ABs? If you are an established guy you can have a fucking stinker and know you'll be in the team next week. Got a red card for a dumb as fuck act? no problem bro come right back.
Maybe some of it is our paper thin depth. For instance if Jordie plays shit this week we have literally nowhere to turn because the next two guys off the bench suck. Scott Barrett can't get dropped because our 4th lock sucks! The props have no one chasing them.
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The ex-wallabies guys were going on about how the lack of competition for spots mad their super teams switch off
Are we seeing the same thing from the ABs? If you are an established guy you can have a fucking stinker and know you'll be in the team next week. Got a red card for a dumb as fuck act? no problem bro come right back.
Maybe some of it is our paper thin depth. For instance if Jordie plays shit this week we have literally nowhere to turn because the next two guys off the bench suck. Scott Barrett can't get dropped because our 4th lock sucks! The props have no one chasing them.
@mariner4life i think so...i think, subconsciously, some players dont have the final drive to succeed because they know there are no ramifications if they dont
we've talked before about players they were unlucky to behind a AB great, players that would walk into other international teams...it might be a case that those guys became greats because they knew in the back of their mind if they didn't the next guy would snap up the chance and never let it go
and we might be seeing a lack of depth in some positions because players know in the back of their mind it doesnt matter of they push hard, they'll never truly get a decent crack in the black jersey
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The ex-wallabies guys were going on about how the lack of competition for spots mad their super teams switch off
Are we seeing the same thing from the ABs? If you are an established guy you can have a fucking stinker and know you'll be in the team next week. Got a red card for a dumb as fuck act? no problem bro come right back.
Maybe some of it is our paper thin depth. For instance if Jordie plays shit this week we have literally nowhere to turn because the next two guys off the bench suck. Scott Barrett can't get dropped because our 4th lock sucks! The props have no one chasing them.
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
The ex-wallabies guys were going on about how the lack of competition for spots mad their super teams switch off
Are we seeing the same thing from the ABs? If you are an established guy you can have a fucking stinker and know you'll be in the team next week. Got a red card for a dumb as fuck act? no problem bro come right back.
Maybe some of it is our paper thin depth. For instance if Jordie plays shit this week we have literally nowhere to turn because the next two guys off the bench suck. Scott Barrett can't get dropped because our 4th lock sucks! The props have no one chasing them.
Ohh, for the glory days of 2004-2007.
Perhaps we should get rid of a SR side or two ourselves...
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We're not alone in this though, there wouldn't be a team in the world with a like-for-like replacement in every spot. Every team is a couple of key injuries or form drops from falling down.
I guess though for us we don't look like a high performing outfit, so there is desire for change, but, at least externally, either nowhere to turn, or no willingness to turn
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We're not alone in this though, there wouldn't be a team in the world with a like-for-like replacement in every spot. Every team is a couple of key injuries or form drops from falling down.
I guess though for us we don't look like a high performing outfit, so there is desire for change, but, at least externally, either nowhere to turn, or no willingness to turn
@mariner4life and thats on the coach...to know what to do if you have to bring in a different type of player in a position...rather than just dropping them when they dont play the same as the first choice
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Just on this game, to re-direct the thread.
My very real hope is we have spent two weeks working out how to get the ball in Reiko Ioane's hands in dangerous areas. He is, by a fair way, our most dangerous attacking weapon, find a fucking way to get him the seed
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The ex-wallabies guys were going on about how the lack of competition for spots mad their super teams switch off
Are we seeing the same thing from the ABs? If you are an established guy you can have a fucking stinker and know you'll be in the team next week. Got a red card for a dumb as fuck act? no problem bro come right back.
Maybe some of it is our paper thin depth. For instance if Jordie plays shit this week we have literally nowhere to turn because the next two guys off the bench suck. Scott Barrett can't get dropped because our 4th lock sucks! The props have no one chasing them.
@mariner4life and tbf I think this is a symptom of Fozzies career as coach.
He got off to a rocky start and has been behind the 8 ball ever since, always needing to play 'his best' players for fear of losing, and as such hasn't really given anyone the opportunity to step up behind the encumbant and press thier case (locks and half in particular)
Also, nut not seed
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Just on this game, to re-direct the thread.
My very real hope is we have spent two weeks working out how to get the ball in Reiko Ioane's hands in dangerous areas. He is, by a fair way, our most dangerous attacking weapon, find a fucking way to get him the seed
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Just on this game, to re-direct the thread.
My very real hope is we have spent two weeks working out how to get the ball in Reiko Ioane's hands in dangerous areas. He is, by a fair way, our most dangerous attacking weapon, find a fucking way to get him the seed
that is a good hope, but on history you'd have to be pretty optimistic for it to be a very real one.
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Assuming a QF awaits, showing we can actually do the basics might be a good way to start. I would just like to see some direct forward play, legitimate attempts to play down in opposition territory first and foremost.
Jeez would love to see a big score based on the above to put some doubt in the Ireland faithful. This may sound contradictory to the above, but I don't believe so.
I am convinced we have the players just not convinced we will get the tactics right.
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Assuming a QF awaits, showing we can actually do the basics might be a good way to start. I would just like to see some direct forward play, legitimate attempts to play down in opposition territory first and foremost.
Jeez would love to see a big score based on the above to put some doubt in the Ireland faithful. This may sound contradictory to the above, but I don't believe so.
I am convinced we have the players just not convinced we will get the tactics right.
@bayimports said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I am convinced we have the players just not convinced we will get the tactics right.
Nah, i question our execution as well
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Why send for Blackadder and then not use him ffs
