RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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Wow blaming Mo'unga for 2019 is such a stupid take I don't know what to say lol.
And I hate the Saders.
Our lack of physicality was the problem that day. We were boys against men.
@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We were boys against men
No. We were dumb, dumb, dumb. From the selection through to the final whistle.
That loss hurt more than 2007 - and I was there in Cardiff.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.
Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two
@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.
Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two
I'll get the popcorn.
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@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We were boys against men
No. We were dumb, dumb, dumb. From the selection through to the final whistle.
That loss hurt more than 2007 - and I was there in Cardiff.
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@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
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England ran straight at Mo'unga and made easy metre's and got points out of it. He was mentally broken and hid from first receiver for the rest of the game.
He still has the same problem now. When the game gets tough he doesn't take control he gives up the first receiver spot
A flat track bully
@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
A flat track bully
Well let’s hope our forwards turn up this week and next to give the useless prick a nice flat track eh?
Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then Fozzie may as well pick me at 10
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@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
if we'd kept our head
A first five that didn't want to touch the ball really didn't help
It's ok now. He's never done that in a pressure game since then
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@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
The Whitelock penalty still burns
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@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
A flat track bully
Well let’s hope our forwards turn up this week and next to give the useless prick a nice flat track eh?
Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then Fozzie may as well pick me at 10
@voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then
Rinse and repeat for the last 6-7 years.
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the Ref worries me for this game Carley is prone to slow the game down with penalties and pedantic ones at that.
He will be a Ref the Italians will be happy with.
Set piece kick fest maybe the way the game is shaping up.@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
the Ref worries me for this game Carley is prone to slow the game down with penalties and pedantic ones at that.
He will be a Ref the Italians will be happy with.
Set piece kick fest maybe the way the game is shaping up.In a way that is good, that we get that versus Italy, as we will need to be able to overcome that sort of game versus much better teams.
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@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We were boys against men
No. We were dumb, dumb, dumb. From the selection through to the final whistle.
That loss hurt more than 2007 - and I was there in Cardiff.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We were boys against men
No. We were dumb, dumb, dumb. From the selection through to the final whistle.
That loss hurt more than 2007 - and I was there in Cardiff.
At least then we had the ref to blame rather than our own (lack of) dry powder
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the Ref worries me for this game Carley is prone to slow the game down with penalties and pedantic ones at that.
He will be a Ref the Italians will be happy with.
Set piece kick fest maybe the way the game is shaping up.@Chris guess it depends if in his mind we are meant to win or not...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
The Whitelock penalty still burns
@voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
The Whitelock penalty still burns
The Read Staring Eyes still haunt...
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
the Ref worries me for this game Carley is prone to slow the game down with penalties and pedantic ones at that.
He will be a Ref the Italians will be happy with.
Set piece kick fest maybe the way the game is shaping up.In a way that is good, that we get that versus Italy, as we will need to be able to overcome that sort of game versus much better teams.
Yeah it is, as no doubt the QF onwards are going to be all grinds.
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@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
A flat track bully
Well let’s hope our forwards turn up this week and next to give the useless prick a nice flat track eh?
Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then Fozzie may as well pick me at 10
@voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
A flat track bully
Well let’s hope our forwards turn up this week and next to give the useless prick a nice flat track eh?
Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then Fozzie may as well pick me at 10
This week is easy
In the QF if the forwards play well it may still a draw between the packs, or we may get edged. Thats when having a mentally weak ten is a concern
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@nzzp the 'biggest' game of the cup so far didnt have any cards, so thats a plus.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Poor coaching, as is the standard.
Same coaching set-up when he was getting game-time and being so bloody effective coming off the bench. Weird.
Foster has always preferred Taylor, even when it was blindingly obvious that he was playing terribly and Samisoni was playing great. IIRC he dropped Samisoni despite being our best forward for the Irish decider, then continued using Taylor while our lineout and his general play was dogshit all last season. Taylor is a decent player, but his form last year was arguably the worst I've seen an AB get away with and keep being selected - and that's not when the cupboard was bare, but when we had another option who was clearly better. It is just shit selection.
Samisoni should be a bolted on starter by now. Taylor or Coles should be the bench guy, or if we were better at handling young players, Aumua could have been ready in time.
We all sit around bemoaning Super rugby and our lack of grunt up front - and we have that guy right fucking there and they won't fucking pick him!If what you say is true - and it may be - you have to question what value Ryan actually adds, don't you?
Not really. Foster's preference for Taylor and Taylor's terrible form pre-dates Ryan being involved.
Has Ryan changed that? No. Has he tried? No idea.
Buck stops with the head coach.@reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Poor coaching, as is the standard.
Same coaching set-up when he was getting game-time and being so bloody effective coming off the bench. Weird.
Foster has always preferred Taylor, even when it was blindingly obvious that he was playing terribly and Samisoni was playing great. IIRC he dropped Samisoni despite being our best forward for the Irish decider, then continued using Taylor while our lineout and his general play was dogshit all last season. Taylor is a decent player, but his form last year was arguably the worst I've seen an AB get away with and keep being selected - and that's not when the cupboard was bare, but when we had another option who was clearly better. It is just shit selection.
Samisoni should be a bolted on starter by now. Taylor or Coles should be the bench guy, or if we were better at handling young players, Aumua could have been ready in time.
We all sit around bemoaning Super rugby and our lack of grunt up front - and we have that guy right fucking there and they won't fucking pick him!If what you say is true - and it may be - you have to question what value Ryan actually adds, don't you?
Not really. Foster's preference for Taylor and Taylor's terrible form pre-dates Ryan being involved.
Has Ryan changed that? No. Has he tried? No idea.
Buck stops with the head coach.Well personally I would be starting with Taylor, I a ST fan , but we need a bloody solid set piece going forward, and hence Taylor probably gets the nod. Would make no difference anyway, we all got our players we like and lo and behold any coach or coaches who don't put our players on field.
