RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
The Kiwi Irish are stars in green.
Why have we struggled?Because Ireland thought strategically.
We've conned ourselves into thinking we always have the best players and best systems and would always be ahead of the curve.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@BerniesCorner said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
The Kiwi Irish are stars in green.
Why have we struggled?Because Ireland thought strategically.
We've conned ourselves into thinking we always have the best players and best systems and would always be ahead of the curve.
Is that fans? Because if it is, it has absolutely zero bearing on how the actual players perform.
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
The Kiwi Irish are stars in green.
Why have we struggled?Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@BerniesCorner said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
The Kiwi Irish are stars in green.
Why have we struggled?Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Yeah Beauden just needs more games at 15.... that will solve it.....
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
The Kiwi Irish are stars in green.
Why have we struggled?Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
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Congratulations to Ireland. Not the worlds number one team for nothing. They really kept us out. Missed kicks don’t tell the story. Two of those were long range we should have gone for touch imo. Just to get down into the 22. Absolutely brutal collisions all match. Looked like an amazing match to be at and I thought reffing was good. Obviously I don’t agree with every call made
But I really thought he was in control of the match. Going to be a lot of sore bodies today on both teams. -
Was a strange match to watch for me.
I can’t recall a time that I switched teams I least disliked throughout an 80 minutes.
At one point I was saying how resilient the Irish defence was and then when I see them run NFL like attacking plays, my reaction to them changed to, I hope they get roasted.
Then when the Boks were having all kinds of forward dominance both at the breakdown and at set piece, it was great to watch. But when I saw them squander front foot ball after front foot ball, my reaction was they don’t deserve to win this or any match.
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Then when the Boks were having all kinds of forward dominance both at the breakdown and at set piece, it was great to watch.
This is the reason I think SA will win the whole thing.
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@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
I@Chester-Draws said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
Yeah it seems a bit hard for some to admit that other countries have better players than NZ at the moment
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I@Chester-Draws said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
Yeah it seems a bit hard for some to admit that other countries have better players than NZ at the moment
@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
I@Chester-Draws said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
Yeah it seems a bit hard for some to admit that other countries have better players than NZ at the moment
Razor is literally going to have to lead a revolution to get us back to the top
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
I@Chester-Draws said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
Yeah it seems a bit hard for some to admit that other countries have better players than NZ at the moment
Razor is literally going to have to lead a revolution to get us back to the top
@canefan said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
I@Chester-Draws said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
Yeah it seems a bit hard for some to admit that other countries have better players than NZ at the moment
Razor is literally going to have to lead a revolution to get us back to the top
I certainly don't expect us to be world number one by the end of 2024, but I do expect some sensible, hard-nosed tactics & game plans. He's got 4 years, and it cannot be worse then the 4 we have just suffered through
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I don’t think Ireland and South Africa have better players than NZ, but they are much better coached, focused and organised.
NZR threw away this World Cup cycle by appointing Foster in 2019 when there were much better options available (Razor, Joseph, Gatland, Schmidt, maybe Rennie).
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@canefan said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
I@Chester-Draws said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
Yeah it seems a bit hard for some to admit that other countries have better players than NZ at the moment
Razor is literally going to have to lead a revolution to get us back to the top
I certainly don't expect us to be world number one by the end of 2024, but I do expect some sensible, hard-nosed tactics & game plans. He's got 4 years, and it cannot be worse then the 4 we have just suffered through
@Machpants said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
I@Chester-Draws said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
Yeah it seems a bit hard for some to admit that other countries have better players than NZ at the moment
Razor is literally going to have to lead a revolution to get us back to the top
I certainly don't expect us to be world number one by the end of 2024, but I do expect some sensible, hard-nosed tactics & game plans. He's got 4 years, and it cannot be worse then the 4 we have just suffered through
I would be happy with consistent and competitive.
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Good fucking game. Huge pressure, some incredible tackling, constant contest at set piece and breakdown
South Africa did more than enough to win, but some average errors and poor kicking cost them. Even though they lost I think there is a lot to be happy about
Ireland played good though, didn't cave at the scrum, tackled like demons, contested everything, and threw a lot of little shapes at the African defense.
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
I@Chester-Draws said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
Yeah it seems a bit hard for some to admit that other countries have better players than NZ at the moment
Razor is literally going to have to lead a revolution to get us back to the top
I certainly don't expect us to be world number one by the end of 2024, but I do expect some sensible, hard-nosed tactics & game plans. He's got 4 years, and it cannot be worse then the 4 we have just suffered through
I would be happy with consistent and competitive.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
I@Chester-Draws said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Canes4life said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Because they’ve consistently played together over a long period. Our team chops and changes every two seconds.
Given that Foster has more or less refused to make any changes not forced on him, I find this an incredible statement.
The team we named against France had one greenhorn, and he was on the wing.
That's been one of our biggest issues -- players remain in the starting team regardless.
Yeah it seems a bit hard for some to admit that other countries have better players than NZ at the moment
Razor is literally going to have to lead a revolution to get us back to the top
I certainly don't expect us to be world number one by the end of 2024, but I do expect some sensible, hard-nosed tactics & game plans. He's got 4 years, and it cannot be worse then the 4 we have just suffered through
I would be happy with consistent and competitive.
I feel that we are less than the sum of our parts right now. So if Razor can instill better direction there is no reason why we can't raise our level in a short space of time. That doesn't necessarily mean back to number one, but that we aren't the easy out that we've become
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But nothing I watched today makes me think either side is unbeatable
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@mariner4life True, but sadly I don’t really see Foster’s Flops winning three big knockout games in a row.
Ireland the favourites for me, then SA and France, then NZ and England as dark horses. I don’t think any other side can win.
@sparky said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@mariner4life True, but sadly I don’t really see Foster’s Flops winning three big knockout games in a row.
Ireland the favourites for me, then SA and France, then NZ and England as dark horses. I don’t think any other side can win.
I'd have SA personally. Forward dominance usually leads to wins - it's very unusual they don't have a decent kicker. In tighter games as referees swallow whistles (ie the knockouts) I'd pick them.
So yeah, Ireland are probably more beatable. They'll still roll us, but we'll have a shot
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Not having a kicker, then opting to take long shots at goal instead of touch is an, interesting, option.
@reprobate said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
Not having a kicker, then opting to take long shots at goal instead of touch is an, interesting, option.
Keeping their biltong dry?
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Ireland’s issue is going to be the consecutive games they’re gonna have to get up for. Scotland game of their life. All Blacks/Italy game of their life. Semi against whoever game of their life. Boks/France in the final… Nobody will have ever done it harder
