RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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@foobaNZ said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew that is baffling to me.
Any supposed superiority in Christie's defence is more than negated by Roigard's superiority elsewhere.
So again, I think it's baffling.
Not for me. I understand the thinking and decision
I also understand it's shit thinking and a shit decision..
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not for me. I understand the thinking and decision
Really though? What is the actual defensive edge he has, any idea? It's been said a lot, but there hasn't been any substance put to it.
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@foobaNZ said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Like most, my first reaction is why TF Christie is there over Roigard. Absolutely baffling.
Looking at it overall, it's the best 23 aside from that one glaring selection (and Telea being unavailable).
My concern though is the starting props haven't had a lot of recent game time. They're our best, no doubt, but that is a worry.
I must admit I would go for Roigard, but I think (well and Foster says it) Christie is considered a better defender, which is hard to argue with or against as I haven't really taken a lot of notice, and with Irish you will see that Gibson-Parkes does cause problems for teams in and around breakdowns.
As for Telea, I guess if you break the rules , usually set by the leadership team, you have to cop it I suppose. And perhaps he wasn't desperate enough to play or he wouldn't of done it.@Dan54 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@foobaNZ said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Like most, my first reaction is why TF Christie is there over Roigard. Absolutely baffling.
Looking at it overall, it's the best 23 aside from that one glaring selection (and Telea being unavailable).
My concern though is the starting props haven't had a lot of recent game time. They're our best, no doubt, but that is a worry.
I must admit I would go for Roigard, but I think (well and Foster says it) Christie is considered a better defender, which is hard to argue with or against as I haven't really taken a lot of notice, and with Irish you will see that Gibson-Parkes does cause problems for teams in and around breakdowns.
Christie will be 95% matching up against Murray, not JGP. They play quite differently.
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Hilariously bad selections. Slow unproven winger, inexperienced props, the wrong 9 on the bench.
Man Foster is hard to like.
At least they didn’t pick Blackadder
@Kirwan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Hilariously bad selections. Slow unproven winger, inexperienced props, the wrong 9 on the bench.
Man Foster is hard to like.
At least they didn’t pick Blackadder
I can accept the props, I can accept the winger (this is stupid) but the non selection of Roigard is on a par with the forever non selection of JB at 12.
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Hilariously bad selections. Slow unproven winger, inexperienced props, the wrong 9 on the bench.
Man Foster is hard to like.
At least they didn’t pick Blackadder
@Kirwan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Hilariously bad selections. Slow unproven winger, inexperienced props, the wrong 9 on the bench.
Man Foster is hard to like.
At least they didn’t pick Blackadder
They want to make it fair for the Irish I guess
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Schmidt must have had an input into the 9. He coached Christie with the Blues, so maybe he swayed Foster
Yes, it would be good to know how much influence the assistant coaches have in the final selections. Ryan has rolled the dice with the young props while Schmidt has gone all conservative.
@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Schmidt must have had an input into the 9. He coached Christie with the Blues, so maybe he swayed Foster
Yes, it would be good to know how much influence the assistant coaches have in the final selections. Ryan has rolled the dice with the young props while Schmidt has gone all conservative.
Schmidt clearly has a lot of faith in him. Christie was on the bench for the first Irish test in '22 which we won 42-19. Foster was out ill for the 1st Test against Ireland in '22 and Schmidt was in charge which is why we won according to Fern logic,
Clearly Schmidt knows what he is doing when playing Ireland and Christie is the clear and obvious choice if we are to win.
Of course, Fern logic could be bollocks....
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@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@pakman not creating an account. Does he actually say that?
ALL BLACKS BOSS Ian Foster said he still loves wing Mark Telea after dropping him for the World Cup quarter-final against Ireland due to a disciplinary breach.
26-year-old Telea, who has been brilliant since his Test debut last year, has been left out of the massive clash in Paris on Saturday, with Leicester Fainga’anuku picked in the number 11 jersey in his place.
“He breached the protocol, nothing major, but enough to keep him out of selection for this week,” said Foster this evening at the All Blacks’ team hotel east of Paris.
“I still love him, he trained well, it happens.
“Look, it is what it is. For us it’s pretty clean-cut, I don’t really want to talk about it anymore. We’ve dealt with it as a team and moved on.”
Foster was asked about the decision again later in the press conference and stressed that Telea’s breach was “minor.”
Asked if he is concerned that a key player would break team rules ahead of such a massive week, Foster instead said he believes the decision underlines how much store the All Blacks put in their protocols.
“We believe in what we stand for and that speaks volumes for the team that we make that sort of decision in this sort of week.”
Meanwhile, Foster outlined the reasoning behind some of his other selection decisions.
Finlay Christie has been picked ahead of the in-form Cam Roigard as the back-up scrum-half.
“We just felt it was horses for courses for this particular game. We think Finlay has got an edge defensively,” said Foster.@PecoTrain said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@pakman not creating an account. Does he actually say that?
“We believe in what we stand for and that speaks volumes for the team that we make that sort of decision in this sort of week.”
If I want a role model in clean living and the highest standards of human behaviour, I'm not going to go looking in a fucking rugby team. Their job is to play rugby and win, and a lot of these guys seem to not even know the history they're fucking up - now they're patting themselves on the back for not prioritising winning? Because delivering a slap on the wrist to someone for having a couple of beers when they weren't meant to means more than that?
He's fucking right it speaks volumes. -
Not many disappointed that Taukei'aho missed out then. I know his form has slipped a bit, but do you think he missed out because he’s the weaker line out thrower?
I’m still surprised he didn’t make the bench at least.
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not many disappointed that Taukei'aho missed out then. I know his form has slipped a bit, but do you think he missed out because he’s the weaker line out thrower?
I’m still surprised he didn’t make the bench at least.
I'm fucked off about that, and the way he's been messed around last year and this year is really just shit poor management of the highest order.
Clearly he should be there, but Taylor and Coles are both still pretty good players. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not for me. I understand the thinking and decision
Really though? What is the actual defensive edge he has, any idea? It's been said a lot, but there hasn't been any substance put to it.
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not for me. I understand the thinking and decision
Really though? What is the actual defensive edge he has, any idea? It's been said a lot, but there hasn't been any substance put to it.
You'd probably have to ask Schmidt. Clearly sees something in Christie we don't see. Mind you, he was the one who coached the AB's to the last win over Ireland when Foster was ill and had Christie on the bench so he clearly knows what he is doing......
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Called in to see the team and noticed the comments re Barnes earlier in the thread. It is worth pointing out to those that don't mind him, or think that we should get over Cardiff, we have our highest number of losses under him than any other ref in AB history (I saw that somewhere). It's not just the number of losses but the percentage (he has reffed us a lot). So we have reason to be wary of him other than one match that he completely ballsed up. France also didn't outplay us in that match @NTA Barnes choked and I don't trust him not to do it again in front of thousands of screaming Irish fans, just like he did at Cardiff in front of thousands of French fans (it was deafening in that stadium).
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Like:
Predictable starting side with one glaring exception
Young props
Coles for the lols when he's winding up the paddies late on (if it's close or we're in front how often do you reckon he'll bring up QF demons?)
DMac forcing his way to the benchDislikes
The realisation of no ST for real punch
Picking the worst AB halfback in recent memory off the bench
Dropping Telea for a fucking tugboat on the wing. The Irish are too experienced and too smart to not make hay thereWhy must we constantly be disappointed by these fucking selectors?
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Called in to see the team and noticed the comments re Barnes earlier in the thread. It is worth pointing out to those that don't mind him, or think that we should get over Cardiff, we have our highest number of losses under him than any other ref in AB history (I saw that somewhere). It's not just the number of losses but the percentage (he has reffed us a lot). So we have reason to be wary of him other than one match that he completely ballsed up. France also didn't outplay us in that match @NTA Barnes choked and I don't trust him not to do it again in front of thousands of screaming Irish fans, just like he did at Cardiff in front of thousands of French fans (it was deafening in that stadium).
@Snowy there was a sizeable Irish fan contingent in Cardiff that day as they had banked on Ireland getting there as runners up in the pool. Alas, they choked that year, finishing 3rd behind Argentina and France.
They were singing “Allez les bleus” with gusto!
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not many disappointed that Taukei'aho missed out then. I know his form has slipped a bit, but do you think he missed out because he’s the weaker line out thrower?
I’m still surprised he didn’t make the bench at least.
I'm fucked off about that, and the way he's been messed around last year and this year is really just shit poor management of the highest order.
Clearly he should be there, but Taylor and Coles are both still pretty good players.@reprobate said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not many disappointed that Taukei'aho missed out then. I know his form has slipped a bit, but do you think he missed out because he’s the weaker line out thrower?
I’m still surprised he didn’t make the bench at least.
I'm fucked off about that, and the way he's been messed around last year and this year is really just shit poor management of the highest order.
Clearly he should be there, but Taylor and Coles are both still pretty good players.If we were up when coles comes onto the field ,
He would be the one guy who would be very good at reminding of their 1/4 final exit history
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@reprobate said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not many disappointed that Taukei'aho missed out then. I know his form has slipped a bit, but do you think he missed out because he’s the weaker line out thrower?
I’m still surprised he didn’t make the bench at least.
I'm fucked off about that, and the way he's been messed around last year and this year is really just shit poor management of the highest order.
Clearly he should be there, but Taylor and Coles are both still pretty good players.If we were up when coles comes onto the field ,
He would be the one guy who would be very good at reminding of their 1/4 final exit history
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If they were worried about Roigards defense, then don't pick Christie - take a leaf from the Yarpies, and pick another loose forward to cover that role - I'm sure that anyone of them would be as good from the back of the ruck as Christie
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@kiwiinmelb “4 more years” would be the obvious sledge… an oldie but a goodie
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@kiwiinmelb “4 more years” would be the obvious sledge… an oldie but a goodie
That only works on teams with history and expectation
"36 more years" doesn't really have the same ring to it
