RWC SF: England v Springboks
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I don’t think we deserve a break, we’ve been abject for a long time. The Boks have built a great structure and have great cattle. We don’t have the player base because we dismantled our youth development and our U20s are shit now. We also have a fucked club structure which means we don’t have the ability to ensure clubs pick props for example. We don’t have the coaching structure, relying on Hail Mary hires, allowing Eddie to piss off every decent coach and swap them every five minutes, taking too long to fire Eddie and appointing a team of coaches with almost no experience or track record, meanwhile our experienced coaches coach elsewhere. On top of that, our players and coaches are pretty hard to warm too - which would be a shame if we were good, is embarrassing when we’re not.
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
I was gutted for France on Sunday, and am not surprised they’ve gone cold, hard to see how they wouldn’t when they genuinely believed this was their best ever chance. My guess is they’ll support Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, daylight in that order when the time comes. Don’t remember being less excited about an England World Cup game…
@Dodge yeah, club rugby isn't that appealing at the moment, well for me anyway. The below the sternum tackle thing is going to be difficult to get used to - although I have noticed that it's only refs getting assessed that are hot on it. The other thing being, that for some stupid reason now, they've pushed the "3 subs only" rule waaaaay down the leagues, so can't even do rolling subs (the other day we had to roll out a team of 11 players just so they could get a game, instead of being able to sub on in other matches).
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I don’t think we deserve a break, we’ve been abject for a long time. The Boks have built a great structure and have great cattle. We don’t have the player base because we dismantled our youth development and our U20s are shit now. We also have a fucked club structure which means we don’t have the ability to ensure clubs pick props for example. We don’t have the coaching structure, relying on Hail Mary hires, allowing Eddie to piss off every decent coach and swap them every five minutes, taking too long to fire Eddie and appointing a team of coaches with almost no experience or track record, meanwhile our experienced coaches coach elsewhere. On top of that, our players and coaches are pretty hard to warm too - which would be a shame if we were good, is embarrassing when we’re not.
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
I was gutted for France on Sunday, and am not surprised they’ve gone cold, hard to see how they wouldn’t when they genuinely believed this was their best ever chance. My guess is they’ll support Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, daylight in that order when the time comes. Don’t remember being less excited about an England World Cup game…
@Dodge said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
I don’t think we deserve a break, we’ve been abject for a long time. The Boks have built a great structure and have great cattle. We don’t have the player base because we dismantled our youth development and our U20s are shit now. We also have a fucked club structure which means we don’t have the ability to ensure clubs pick props for example. We don’t have the coaching structure, relying on Hail Mary hires, allowing Eddie to piss off every decent coach and swap them every five minutes, taking too long to fire Eddie and appointing a team of coaches with almost no experience or track record, meanwhile our experienced coaches coach elsewhere. On top of that, our players and coaches are pretty hard to warm too - which would be a shame if we were good, is embarrassing when we’re not.
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
I was gutted for France on Sunday, and am not surprised they’ve gone cold, hard to see how they wouldn’t when they genuinely believed this was their best ever chance. My guess is they’ll support Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, daylight in that order when the time comes. Don’t remember being less excited about an England World Cup game…
French don’t like the argies. They really like nz. I’d say NZ > SA > Arg > Eng imo.
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I don’t think we deserve a break, we’ve been abject for a long time. The Boks have built a great structure and have great cattle. We don’t have the player base because we dismantled our youth development and our U20s are shit now. We also have a fucked club structure which means we don’t have the ability to ensure clubs pick props for example. We don’t have the coaching structure, relying on Hail Mary hires, allowing Eddie to piss off every decent coach and swap them every five minutes, taking too long to fire Eddie and appointing a team of coaches with almost no experience or track record, meanwhile our experienced coaches coach elsewhere. On top of that, our players and coaches are pretty hard to warm too - which would be a shame if we were good, is embarrassing when we’re not.
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
I was gutted for France on Sunday, and am not surprised they’ve gone cold, hard to see how they wouldn’t when they genuinely believed this was their best ever chance. My guess is they’ll support Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, daylight in that order when the time comes. Don’t remember being less excited about an England World Cup game…
@Dodge said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
I understand the odd opinion on here that England have a chance this weekend, but to me it suggests those people haven’t been watching closely enough. I don’t know any England fans who genuinely think we have a chance, some with unbelieved bravado, but no more than that.
Very much like ABs last weekend
Now I can’t stand the Boks, don’t like the way they play, don’t like many of the players, despise Rassie. But I have to hand it to them they’ve built a hell of a set up.
Yeah I certainly don't want Rassie and his bag-o-cheats anywhere near another victory
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Still heaps of tickets category 1 and 2 for resell on official site.
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For a minute there, I thought Walrus was talking about Times Rugby writers
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No change for the boks
South Africa team to face England
Damian Willemse; Kurt-Lee Arendse, Jesse Kriel, Damian de Allende, Cheslin Kolbe; Manie Libbok, Cobus Reinach; Steven Kitshoff, Mbongeni Mbonambi, Frans Malherbe; Eben Etzebeth, Franco Mostert; Siya Kolisi (c), Pieter-Steph du Toit, Duane Vermeulen.
Replacements: Deon Fourie, Ox Nche, Vincent Koch, RG Snyman, Kwagga Smith, Faf de Klerk, Handré Pollard, Willie Le Roux -
Just clocked that Saturday is a massive day of England vs South Africa sporting contests with the countries squaring off in the cricket world cup too
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@stodders said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@junior cripple fight in the cricket then
Aus playing too?
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@stodders said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@junior cripple fight in the cricket then
Aus playing too?
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Word is Smith is out (HIA) and Steward is back
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@Catogrande did they lose to Afghanistan or Netherlands?
They got butt-fucked by SA, who lost to…
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They got butt-fucked by SA, who lost to…
@Catogrande That is true. But it is also not really a shock by the Proteas, who are truly world cricket's Jekyll and Hyde team.
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Word is Smith is out (HIA) and Steward is back
@MiketheSnow Convenient. Smith was never playing FB.
Steward in at 15, Ford on the bench. Farrell at 10.
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https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/dobbo-boks-nothing-fear/
“I don’t want to sound arrogant, but that’s where we are going to take some stopping in the World Cup,” Dobson said. “England and then New Zealand or Argentina are going to have to produce a second front row that can live with that. I think we will see more of that tactic now from South Africa, if you have a superior scrum then scrum more.
“In the game against Ireland, did New Zealand put the ball into the scrum? It was a remarkable game."
Yes john, NZ did put the ball in. 5 times in fact.
“Look, I don’t think it’s England,” Dobson answered when asked which remaining team South Africans fear most. “I don’t know what you do to stop the South Africans now, with that scrum, maul. It’s tricky.
“Ox Nche, the Springboks’ number 17, is going to be the player of this World Cup. He is just going to do so much damage in these next two games.
“New Zealand is the team we fear most, but can then produce something similar to what they did against Ireland? Can they cope with that second front row? It’s tricky, I think.
“Please don’t think I am an arrogant South African, but it’s ours to lose after Sunday night, I feel.”
Best not lose to England then
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@Dodge according to the Walrus, England need to unleash their inner France and take it to the Boks to help the tournament recover from losing the amazing French team (that couldn't catch a ball on Sunday).
Even Woodward's Harlem Globe Trotters wouldn't have tried doing that!
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I’d prefer to see England win this one. It’d be great for them to make the final after all the crap they’ve been through in the last 12 months or so.
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@sparky said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
I’d prefer to see England win this one. It’d be great for them to make the final after all the crap they’ve been through in the last 12 months or so.
I'd like that result because Bokke fans.
@booboo I know a fair few Bok fans. Pretty level headed for the most part. Patriotic, love their team and have confidence in them.
Every country has their fair share of dickheads. SA is no different.
What sometimes sounds like arrogance is IMO bravado - deep down, there is fear. The Boks are an escape for many in SA; a chance to escape the corruption, the decay, the harshness of life that is for many no fault of their own. They are a team their supporters believe in and that unity is powerful.
Do they have a great team currently? Yes. Do they go overboard at times? Yep. But when life throws you lemons, sometimes your sporting teams are all you have left to cling to.
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@booboo I know a fair few Bok fans. Pretty level headed for the most part. Patriotic, love their team and have confidence in them.
Every country has their fair share of dickheads. SA is no different.
What sometimes sounds like arrogance is IMO bravado - deep down, there is fear. The Boks are an escape for many in SA; a chance to escape the corruption, the decay, the harshness of life that is for many no fault of their own. They are a team their supporters believe in and that unity is powerful.
Do they have a great team currently? Yes. Do they go overboard at times? Yep. But when life throws you lemons, sometimes your sporting teams are all you have left to cling to.
@stodders said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@booboo I know a fair few Bok fans. Pretty level headed for the most part. Patriotic, love their team and have confidence in them.
Every country has their fair share of dickheads. SA is no different.
What sometimes sounds like arrogance is IMO bravado - deep down, there is fear. The Boks are an escape for many in SA; a chance to escape the corruption, the decay, the harshness of life that is for many no fault of their own. They are a team their supporters believe in and that unity is powerful.
Do they have a great team currently? Yes. Do they go overboard at times? Yep. But when life throws you lemons, sometimes your sporting teams are all you have left to cling to.
Great post.
