RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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The first thing WR has done well.
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Did the sanctimonious piston wristed gibbon have a go at Frizell again like he does in every video featuring the ABs?
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did the sanctimonious piston wristed gibbon have a go at Frizell again like he does in every video featuring the ABs?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sanctimonious+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
A bit like publicly stating “we have a no dickheads rule” and then picking a convicted domestic abuser.
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did the sanctimonious piston wristed gibbon have a go at Frizell again like he does in every video featuring the ABs?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sanctimonious+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
A bit like publicly stating “we have a no dickheads rule” and then picking a convicted domestic abuser.
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My RWC jersey just came in. A big FUCK YOU to Canada once again for taxing us up the arse when it comes to importing goods you can't buy here. Fucking joke. Anyways, normally I wouldn't buy a RWC jersey so soon after a loss, and as gutted as I am, I mean, this one really hurts, I am more accepting of it in the way the TMO had an influence and also, I gave us no shot of getting passed the QF. I bought the performance jersey. Still not a fan of the collar but fuck, it's a nice jersey. The ferns are very subtle and the material feels really nice on. Stitching looks strong but a bit abrasive but finally getting a god look at it, very very nice. Thank god I ordered a size up. There's no way I would fit my standard labeled size.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Looking at the Frizzel "incident" again, Steven Kitsoff smashes him in the side of the head with his arm. Of course, the TMO completely missed this and YCed Frizzel for falling over. What a farken joke.
I felt that it could have easily been ruled a rugby contact incident. No penalties, play on
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Looking at the Frizzel "incident" again, Steven Kitsoff smashes him in the side of the head with his arm. Of course, the TMO completely missed this and YCed Frizzel for falling over. What a farken joke.
I felt that it could have easily been ruled a rugby contact incident. No penalties, play on
It should have been. I've not seen an penalty and a YC for something so innocuous before. Ever. I wonder if Ardie went down and squealed like a little bitch and cries foul at every ruck African Jesus may have been shown red and 6 weeks.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Looking at the Frizzel "incident" again, Steven Kitsoff smashes him in the side of the head with his arm. Of course, the TMO completely missed this and YCed Frizzel for falling over. What a farken joke.
I felt that it could have easily been ruled a rugby contact incident. No penalties, play on
It should have been. I've not seen an penalty and a YC for something so innocuous before. Ever. I wonder if Ardie went down and squealed like a little bitch and cries foul at every ruck African Jesus may have been shown red and 6 weeks.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Looking at the Frizzel "incident" again, Steven Kitsoff smashes him in the side of the head with his arm. Of course, the TMO completely missed this and YCed Frizzel for falling over. What a farken joke.
I felt that it could have easily been ruled a rugby contact incident. No penalties, play on
It should have been. I've not seen an penalty and a YC for something so innocuous before. Ever. I wonder if Ardie went down and squealed like a little bitch and cries foul at every ruck African Jesus may have been shown red and 6 weeks.
I don't know what Foley's qualifications are, but I don't believe he's a test ref. Crazy to be in that position of power
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Worth noting that it was not Foley that upgraded Sam's yellow to a red. Yes, he is an annoying pedantic piston wristed gibbon that helped ruin a game of rugby, but he isn't to blame for the inconsistency between the two captains' cards. We don't actually know who did that.
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did the sanctimonious piston wristed gibbon have a go at Frizell again like he does in every video featuring the ABs?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sanctimonious+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
A bit like publicly stating “we have a no dickheads rule” and then picking a convicted domestic abuser.
@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did the sanctimonious piston wristed gibbon have a go at Frizell again like he does in every video featuring the ABs?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sanctimonious+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
A bit like publicly stating “we have a no dickheads rule” and then picking a convicted domestic abuser.
You don't mean Shannon do you? Not convicted (charges dropped), and not domestic abuse as far as I know.
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Worth noting that it was not Foley that upgraded Sam's yellow to a red. Yes, he is an annoying pedantic piston wristed gibbon that helped ruin a game of rugby, but he isn't to blame for the inconsistency between the two captains' cards. We don't actually know who did that.
@Snowy said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Worth noting that it was not Foley that upgraded Sam's yellow to a red. Yes, he is an annoying pedantic piston wristed gibbon that helped ruin a game of rugby, but he isn't to blame for the inconsistency between the two captains' cards. We don't actually know who did that.
I have seen suggestions that the bunker officials might be other TMOs. You know, the same TMOs not considered good enough to be involved in the playoff games.
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@Snowy said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Worth noting that it was not Foley that upgraded Sam's yellow to a red. Yes, he is an annoying pedantic piston wristed gibbon that helped ruin a game of rugby, but he isn't to blame for the inconsistency between the two captains' cards. We don't actually know who did that.
I have seen suggestions that the bunker officials might be other TMOs. You know, the same TMOs not considered good enough to be involved in the playoff games.
@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Snowy said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Worth noting that it was not Foley that upgraded Sam's yellow to a red. Yes, he is an annoying pedantic piston wristed gibbon that helped ruin a game of rugby, but he isn't to blame for the inconsistency between the two captains' cards. We don't actually know who did that.
I have seen suggestions that the bunker officials might be other TMOs. You know, the same TMOs not considered good enough to be involved in the playoff games.
I want to blame them all. But the reality is the rules around tackles and the rules around how the TMO is employed are all wrong. We go around in circles, but it needs to be simpler. Less mitigation means less risk of inconsistency. If you hit someone above a certain height, and they aren't falling into the tackle, you are in trouble, no other mitigation
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Looking at the Frizzel "incident" again, Steven Kitsoff smashes him in the side of the head with his arm. Of course, the TMO completely missed this and YCed Frizzel for falling over. What a farken joke.
I felt that it could have easily been ruled a rugby contact incident. No penalties, play on
It should have been. I've not seen an penalty and a YC for something so innocuous before. Ever. I wonder if Ardie went down and squealed like a little bitch and cries foul at every ruck African Jesus may have been shown red and 6 weeks.
I don't know what Foley's qualifications are, but I don't believe he's a test ref. Crazy to be in that position of power
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Looking at the Frizzel "incident" again, Steven Kitsoff smashes him in the side of the head with his arm. Of course, the TMO completely missed this and YCed Frizzel for falling over. What a farken joke.
I felt that it could have easily been ruled a rugby contact incident. No penalties, play on
It should have been. I've not seen an penalty and a YC for something so innocuous before. Ever. I wonder if Ardie went down and squealed like a little bitch and cries foul at every ruck African Jesus may have been shown red and 6 weeks.
I don't know what Foley's qualifications are, but I don't believe he's a test ref. Crazy to be in that position of power
I'd be interested to know how an amateur who doesn't even follow the game, if given a perimeters to work with, how they would apply the laws. Whether SC would have been upgraded, or African Jesus would have been upgraded, or whether SF would have even seen a penalty, or maybe Kitsoff would be sent off.
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Worth noting that it was not Foley that upgraded Sam's yellow to a red. Yes, he is an annoying pedantic piston wristed gibbon that helped ruin a game of rugby, but he isn't to blame for the inconsistency between the two captains' cards. We don't actually know who did that.
@Snowy said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Worth noting that it was not Foley that upgraded Sam's yellow to a red. Yes, he is an annoying pedantic piston wristed gibbon that helped ruin a game of rugby, but he isn't to blame for the inconsistency between the two captains' cards. We don't actually know who did that.
It's not so much the SC red people are complaining about, fuck, I wouldn't have even asked for a penalty, but the missed forearms, clear penalty that should have been reversed, a head smash with "mitigation" etc. It was the persistent intervention by the TMO looking for shit and missing heaps.
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@Snowy said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Worth noting that it was not Foley that upgraded Sam's yellow to a red. Yes, he is an annoying pedantic piston wristed gibbon that helped ruin a game of rugby, but he isn't to blame for the inconsistency between the two captains' cards. We don't actually know who did that.
It's not so much the SC red people are complaining about, fuck, I wouldn't have even asked for a penalty, but the missed forearms, clear penalty that should have been reversed, a head smash with "mitigation" etc. It was the persistent intervention by the TMO looking for shit and missing heaps.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
. It was the persistent intervention by the TMO looking for shit and missing heaps.
and that's it right there.
If you pick everything up, people will grumble, generally understand and adapt. If you pick up some stuff, and rule it randomly, you leave people frustrated and disappointed.
We joke about the card lottery, but it's real. It's on display consistently. If something gets seen, you're in for it, but if it gets missed, no effect on the game move on. Super annoying as a fan.
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Bog standard 3 down to 2
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@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did the sanctimonious piston wristed gibbon have a go at Frizell again like he does in every video featuring the ABs?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sanctimonious+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
A bit like publicly stating “we have a no dickheads rule” and then picking a convicted domestic abuser.
You don't mean Shannon do you? Not convicted (charges dropped), and not domestic abuse as far as I know.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did the sanctimonious piston wristed gibbon have a go at Frizell again like he does in every video featuring the ABs?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sanctimonious+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
A bit like publicly stating “we have a no dickheads rule” and then picking a convicted domestic abuser.
You don't mean Shannon do you? Not convicted (charges dropped), and not domestic abuse as far as I know.
Erm. Don’t you mean pled guilty and attended police diversion? Though you’re correct, not domestic abuse, he punched a non-related woman. My bad.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did the sanctimonious piston wristed gibbon have a go at Frizell again like he does in every video featuring the ABs?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sanctimonious+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
A bit like publicly stating “we have a no dickheads rule” and then picking a convicted domestic abuser.
You don't mean Shannon do you? Not convicted (charges dropped), and not domestic abuse as far as I know.
Erm. Don’t you mean pled guilty and attended police diversion? Though you’re correct, not domestic abuse, he punched a non-related woman. My bad.
@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did the sanctimonious piston wristed gibbon have a go at Frizell again like he does in every video featuring the ABs?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sanctimonious+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
A bit like publicly stating “we have a no dickheads rule” and then picking a convicted domestic abuser.
You don't mean Shannon do you? Not convicted (charges dropped), and not domestic abuse as far as I know.
Erm. Don’t you mean pled guilty and attended police diversion? Though you’re correct, not domestic abuse, he punched a non-related woman. My bad.
Well this is an honest question but does he have a conviction? I'm obviously no lawyer, but also I don't know distinctions between the UK and NZ on this:
https://www.police.govt.nz/faq/will-a-diversion-show-up-on-my-criminal-record
https://www.justice.govt.nz/criminal-records/clean-slate/Edit: my confusion is, convicted=found guilty of something versus conviction=what appears on a (criminal) record. Perhaps they are the same?
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@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Did the sanctimonious piston wristed gibbon have a go at Frizell again like he does in every video featuring the ABs?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sanctimonious+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
A bit like publicly stating “we have a no dickheads rule” and then picking a convicted domestic abuser.
You don't mean Shannon do you? Not convicted (charges dropped), and not domestic abuse as far as I know.
Erm. Don’t you mean pled guilty and attended police diversion? Though you’re correct, not domestic abuse, he punched a non-related woman. My bad.
Well this is an honest question but does he have a conviction? I'm obviously no lawyer, but also I don't know distinctions between the UK and NZ on this:
https://www.police.govt.nz/faq/will-a-diversion-show-up-on-my-criminal-record
https://www.justice.govt.nz/criminal-records/clean-slate/Edit: my confusion is, convicted=found guilty of something versus conviction=what appears on a (criminal) record. Perhaps they are the same?
Agreed it is confusing. We don’t have anything the same as police diversion for criminal offences in the UK - that I know of. From what I understand of the NZ system, which is mostly based on in depth research carried out on The Fern, Police Diversion may be a laudable attempt to offer a second chance to some people but is often used as a cop out (pun intended) to protect well known people. At the time of the Frizzell case there was much gnashing of teeth on here with many people feeling he’d got off very lightly, purely because he was an All Black, or likely to be.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Looking at the Frizzel "incident" again, Steven Kitsoff smashes him in the side of the head with his arm. Of course, the TMO completely missed this and YCed Frizzel for falling over. What a farken joke.
I felt that it could have easily been ruled a rugby contact incident. No penalties, play on
It should have been. I've not seen an penalty and a YC for something so innocuous before. Ever. I wonder if Ardie went down and squealed like a little bitch and cries foul at every ruck African Jesus may have been shown red and 6 weeks.
I don't know what Foley's qualifications are, but I don't believe he's a test ref. Crazy to be in that position of power
I'd be interested to know how an amateur who doesn't even follow the game, if given a perimeters to work with, how they would apply the laws. Whether SC would have been upgraded, or African Jesus would have been upgraded, or whether SF would have even seen a penalty, or maybe Kitsoff would be sent off.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Looking at the Frizzel "incident" again, Steven Kitsoff smashes him in the side of the head with his arm. Of course, the TMO completely missed this and YCed Frizzel for falling over. What a farken joke.
I felt that it could have easily been ruled a rugby contact incident. No penalties, play on
It should have been. I've not seen an penalty and a YC for something so innocuous before. Ever. I wonder if Ardie went down and squealed like a little bitch and cries foul at every ruck African Jesus may have been shown red and 6 weeks.
I don't know what Foley's qualifications are, but I don't believe he's a test ref. Crazy to be in that position of power
I'd be interested to know how an amateur who doesn't even follow the game, if given a perimeters to work with, how they would apply the laws. Whether SC would have been upgraded, or African Jesus would have been upgraded, or whether SF would have even seen a penalty, or maybe Kitsoff would be sent off.
I hate to say it but we reap what we sow. In the NH, for the last 18 months, both would have been red, I think up until the Curry decision in the WC both would have been red. The wailing and gnashing of teeth about some of the early reds was the reason mitigation became more generous during the tournament. On that basis, the yellow / upgrade to red decisions were consistent with what we’d seen in the previous weeks.
It is not the refs fault. IMO it’s barely even WR’s fault. It’s a reflection of rugby laws being subjective, and the fact we want and need them to be so.
