All Blacks 2024.. locked
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@kiwiinmelb Yes. Capped by the ABs already and will be first choice Blues 10.
Questions remain about his big game temperament - he hasn't had a lot of chances at 10 in big games but there is a sense he shrinks in bigger moments.
Given the gap left by Mo'unga there's a spot available but equally there's no guarantee - could equally be Cameron or Burke etc taking that AB spot - not sure how Razor and Holland rate him and Leon tended to prefer BB at 10.
I watched Perofeta a lot last couple of seasons for the Naki, I at most of their games. The honest truth is he is not first pick for Naki at NPC level, and not overly convinced he a test quality 10 ,or 15 for that matter.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@kiwiinmelb Yes. Capped by the ABs already and will be first choice Blues 10.
Questions remain about his big game temperament - he hasn't had a lot of chances at 10 in big games but there is a sense he shrinks in bigger moments.
Given the gap left by Mo'unga there's a spot available but equally there's no guarantee - could equally be Cameron or Burke etc taking that AB spot - not sure how Razor and Holland rate him and Leon tended to prefer BB at 10.
I watched Perofeta a lot last couple of seasons for the Naki, I at most of their games. The honest truth is he is not first pick for Naki at NPC level, and not overly convinced he a test quality 10 ,or 15 for that matter.
I'm not overly concerned about his Naki form as honestly he's tended to play better for the Blues than Taranaki - you can't convince me Potroz is a better player than Perofeta and yet at times Barnes/Naki has preferred Potroz.
The proof will be in the pudding this year without Beauden whether Perofeta can stamp his mark.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@kiwiinmelb Yes. Capped by the ABs already and will be first choice Blues 10.
Questions remain about his big game temperament - he hasn't had a lot of chances at 10 in big games but there is a sense he shrinks in bigger moments.
Given the gap left by Mo'unga there's a spot available but equally there's no guarantee - could equally be Cameron or Burke etc taking that AB spot - not sure how Razor and Holland rate him and Leon tended to prefer BB at 10.
I watched Perofeta a lot last couple of seasons for the Naki, I at most of their games. The honest truth is he is not first pick for Naki at NPC level, and not overly convinced he a test quality 10 ,or 15 for that matter.
I'm not overly concerned about his Naki form as honestly he's tended to play better for the Blues than Taranaki - you can't convince me Potroz is a better player than Perofeta and yet at times Barnes/Naki has preferred Potroz.
The proof will be in the pudding this year without Beauden whether Perofeta can stamp his mark.
@KiwiMurph yep mate I really hope he does step up, I not against him by any means. I have just waited for him to fulfil the hype that I first heard in 2017 while living in Aus.
Out of interest the best 10 for the Naki this year was Jacomb. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
young players coming through must find it a little frustrating...patchy form currently and NZR want to lock in a 36 year old outside back?
Kinda makes sense if Robertson wants to build on the current team (pretty successful - lost the RWC final by one point) and evolve things rather than throw everything up in the air from day one.
Then again, why want to contract BB for 4 years?
I am looking forward to your vociferous defence of everything Razor next year.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
young players coming through must find it a little frustrating...patchy form currently and NZR want to lock in a 36 year old outside back?
Kinda makes sense if Robertson wants to build on the current team (pretty successful - lost the RWC final by one point) and evolve things rather than throw everything up in the air from day one.
Then again, why want to contract BB for 4 years?
I am looking forward to your vociferous defence of everything Razor next year.
Oh, don't worry about that. I'll continue to call things as I see them.
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I haven’t watched a hell of a lot of Super Rugby in the last few years.
Much of this will be very evident from my posts.
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
The snippets I’ve seen have not convinced me
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@Dan54 Yep, it's great if older players can pass on their knowlegde to young up-and-comers.
I also quite liked that Crotty only accepted his new contract after making sure he wasn't blocking the pathway of a young, talented player.
I really hope that players are picked on form and not on past reputation or experience. All Blacks have always seemed undroppable and that just isn't good enough.
BB hasn't been great in black and in blue in recent years and I'd hate the thought of him potentially blocking the development of a young gun, instead helping it.
Because, by the time he retires, you don't want this ...
Way too early to see how Robertson's tenure will pan out, but keeping BB and other experienced players on board while developing other players is a logical approach as long as it's done right.
For me, the key thing is developing a deeper player pool than we have now for whatever game-plans the ABs have. If that means an uncomfortable loss or two in the first year or so, then so be it.
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I haven’t watched a hell of a lot of Super Rugby in the last few years.
Much of this will be very evident from my posts.
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
The snippets I’ve seen have not convinced me
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
The snippets I’ve seen have not convinced me
He hasn't had much game time in Black tbf. Needs to be given a bit more of a run to see if he can cut the mustard.
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I haven’t watched a hell of a lot of Super Rugby in the last few years.
Much of this will be very evident from my posts.
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
The snippets I’ve seen have not convinced me
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
He sounds more like a midfielder than a 10 based on that description
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I'd say Cruden-lite.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
He sounds more like a midfielder than a 10 based on that description
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
He sounds more like a midfielder than a 10 based on that description
Huh? A midfielder playing ten maybe.
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@Crazy-Horse not all of us, personally i find the obsession with experience over form frustrating
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse not all of us, personally i find the obsession with experience over form frustrating
What if there is experience with form?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2024:
I too wish that BB would retire but thank furk he was at 15 for the final and not Jordan.
I will go against the grade here fellas, I am stoked that Beauden is looking at signing for NZR, the more players we have in the country, the better our depth is. Have no thoughts on whether he will or should make ABs (smarter people than me will decide that), but just love older players like him being around, I said same with Ryan Crotty and John Afoa coming home and playing. It makes our rugby better, more competition for places, more experience! Will do for me.
And to even imagine any player is guaranteed a spot is I think fantasy .@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
will go against the grade here fellas, I am stoked that Beauden is looking at signing for NZR
Not sure anyone is upset at BB signing per se. Only questioning whether he's got some sort of deal to be picked for the ABs.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I'd say Cruden-lite.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I'd say Cruden-lite.
Stink
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I'd say Cruden-lite.
Stink
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I'd say Cruden-lite.
Stink
Yeah be a bit shit to have someone who could potentially play like a world cup winning ten.
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@Dan54 Yep, it's great if older players can pass on their knowlegde to young up-and-comers.
I also quite liked that Crotty only accepted his new contract after making sure he wasn't blocking the pathway of a young, talented player.
I really hope that players are picked on form and not on past reputation or experience. All Blacks have always seemed undroppable and that just isn't good enough.
BB hasn't been great in black and in blue in recent years and I'd hate the thought of him potentially blocking the development of a young gun, instead helping it.
Because, by the time he retires, you don't want this ...
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2024:
I really hope that players are picked on form
I'd argue they should be picked on ability.
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@KiwiMurph yep mate I really hope he does step up, I not against him by any means. I have just waited for him to fulfil the hype that I first heard in 2017 while living in Aus.
Out of interest the best 10 for the Naki this year was Jacomb. -
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I know it’s an odd question to ask about a potential AB 10, but can he kick from hand???
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Thinking outside the square a bit: what happened to Tiaan Falcon (same age as Perofeta), and Kaleb Trask?
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024:
Thinking outside the square a bit: what happened to Tiaan Falcon (same age as Perofeta), and Kaleb Trask?
Basically, his early career consisted of a few really great games for the Chiefs interrupted by a long string of injuries, but not getting many opportunities when he was healthy either, because he was stuck behind Cruden. Due to more injuries, he was eventually overtaken by Trask. So he left for Japan, because he wanted to play. I'm quite sure he's still with Toyota Verblitz. I hope for him that BB's arrival won't mean less game time or fewer starts for him.
I copied from an old thread:
@Stargazer said in Magpies 2021:
A good interview with Tiaan Falcon. Unfortunately behind a pay-wall.
The Japanese dream: Young Kiwi rugby star Tiaan Falcon attempts to flip the scriptSummary:
Toyota Verblitz already approached him before the 2020 season, but he declined, hoping to have a better season with the Chiefs in 2020 than the previous injury-filled seasons. But he only got 15 minutes with Cruden and Trask picked ahead of him at 10 and Dmac at 15, and Toyota approached him again. He signed a two-year contract (2021 and 2022), because he felt he was getting stale only training and not playing.
Everything turned out differently than expected, with Covid forcing him to live alone and have very few contacts outside training. He's still very positive, because he's learning a lot, being in the same squad as Read, Hooper, Le Roux and others; and head coach Simon Cron and - more from a distance - Steve Hansen.
"Coming over here early you kind of cash that experience being a younger guy. I feel like I've grown a lot in the last few months. Living by myself in a foreign country, all those things you can't really do in New Zealand. I think that experience can only make me better going forward. All those little things as well, the team dynamic here is so different. You don't really realise until you leave New Zealand rugby all the little connections you have."
Rugby wise, his game management has grown. Because of the language challenge, preparation during the week is even more important than usual. Key words to get his message across are essential and he has to have a loud voice to make sure everything is clear during a game situation.
Falcon's main competition for a start comes from South African first five Lionel Cronje. The former Sharks, Bulls and Brumbies No 10 is approaching his 33rd birthday and has had the nod for most of the season. Falcon has played in two of the seven Top League games so far, with his most impressive outing against Munakata Sanix Blues in the middle of March. In just over an hour, Falcon scored two tries and seven conversions in an eventual 61-29 victory. But with only seven foreign players able to be named in a matchday squad, and only six of those allowed on the field at any one time, it's been difficult to hold down that starting place..He'll come back in June, train with the Magpies and return to Japan in September.
Regarding the future, all options remain open. Any potential contract extension with Verblitz is yet to be discussed, with such discussions in Japan generally commencing later on than in other countries.
"I'm not too sure what I'm going to do afterwards. I'm quite open minded whether to stay here or potentially come back to New Zealand. I'll be 24 next year, so still young enough to see how things go."
Rugby World Cup years usually see an exodus of players from New Zealand as they move to Europe and Japan, which could open the door to a 2023 return to NZ with a Super Rugby side. Where so often players head overseas and are barely heard from again, it could well be that Tiaan Falcon is an exception to that rule. Japan could be the making of him. -
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I'd say Cruden-lite.
Stink
Yeah be a bit shit to have someone who could potentially play like a world cup winning ten.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I'd say Cruden-lite.
Stink
Yeah be a bit shit to have someone who could potentially play like a world cup winning ten.
Hopefully we get McCaw-lite, Carter-lite and some good old Nonu-lite as well then
