All Blacks 2024.. locked
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Cane was great in the do or die test last year as well as those noted this year. Has he picked up his super option for 2024? With his injury history though, makes you wonder how much gas there is in the tank.
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@game_film 2 cards in 2 finals in 12 months that has massive bearings on the outcome of both matches will hang heavy
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Seems to me Ardie will want to stay at 8 and his opinion will have sway
Cane still has a chance but less of a chance under Robertson, but he might want time away from NZ, rest the body and the mind. Still in contention for AB level, and there aren't many contenders (did someone say Harmon? Boshier? I think I prefer the older one).
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@Canes4life No, that's a reason that he's a good bloke - but has zero to do with whether he's a good captain.
@reprobate he's proven himself as a captain IMO. Just look at his performance when Cane was red carded yesterday, he's been brilliant at picking up the pieces when Cane has been absent. (which has been quite a lot might I add).
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i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in
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i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:
i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in
Yeah, we have no idea what team he will pick outside of the Crusaders bubble he's been in. He probably hasn't analysed a lot of the non Crusaders players from a selectorial point of view.
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I'm actually quite excited about next year.
I think a Roigard/Dmac combination has a lot of excitement and promise to it. It allows the AB's to change their game plan quite considerably with a much more running halfback and a much closer to the gain-line first-5.
I hope we select some outside backs with an emphasis on tactical kicking so we can play the game in the right area's of the field. SS is an obvious choice but my goodness he needs to improve his defense.
There's the opportunity to rebalance the loose forward trio but what this looks like I have no idea, if we want to return to a genuine fetcher at 7 no-one in the current AB team really is.
Super rugby will be very interesting with new guys putting their hand up to fill the gaps.
Really need a new lock to come through to partner Scooter, the loose forwards will be interesting, need to build depth at HB, 1st 5 and in the centers.
I'm quietly optimistic, I just hope we can go in a new direction and play some exciting rugby - with all 15 players staying on the field...
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I'm actually quite excited about next year.
I think a Roigard/Dmac combination has a lot of excitement and promise to it. It allows the AB's to change their game plan quite considerably with a much more running halfback and a much closer to the gain-line first-5.
I hope we select some outside backs with an emphasis on tactical kicking so we can play the game in the right area's of the field. SS is an obvious choice but my goodness he needs to improve his defense.
There's the opportunity to rebalance the loose forward trio but what this looks like I have no idea, if we want to return to a genuine fetcher at 7 no-one in the current AB team really is.
Super rugby will be very interesting with new guys putting their hand up to fill the gaps.
Really need a new lock to come through to partner Scooter, the loose forwards will be interesting, need to build depth at HB, 1st 5 and in the centers.
I'm quietly optimistic, I just hope we can go in a new direction and play some exciting rugby - with all 15 players staying on the field...
@Windows97 yes and might mean different type of play from 12
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@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
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I think the 23 below as a starting point next year would be pretty decent but I'm sure other players will put their hands up during Super. First five depth is clearly an area of weakness. I've put Perofeta on the bench but it could be anyone.
- De Groot
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Lord
- Finau
- Blackadder (I think Razor will pick Blackadder over Dalton here)
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Telea
- Barrett
- Ioane
- Narawa
- Jordan
- Taukei’aho
- Williams
- Newell
- Vaai
- Flanders (I'm being Canes biased by selecting Flanders here but I think he'll have a massive season in 2024. Can cover 6/8.
- Fakatava
- Perofeta
- Stevenson
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:
i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in
Yeah, we have no idea what team he will pick outside of the Crusaders bubble he's been in. He probably hasn't analysed a lot of the non Crusaders players from a selectorial point of view.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:
i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in
Yeah, we have no idea what team he will pick outside of the Crusaders bubble he's been in. He probably hasn't analysed a lot of the non Crusaders players from a selectorial point of view.
you think? i kind of think to get the gig he would/should have shown how much he knew about players outside his current team, i also think he'll have a very good idea on all the other players in NZ from oppo research and surely you cant help but think "i wish i could pick them"
One thing i do hope he does is reevaluate people that fozzie may have looked and and discarded (AI?), just to confirm if they werent up to it or if a different coach cant get the best out of them
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@Windows97 yes and might mean different type of play from 12
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
@Windows97 yes and might mean different type of play from 12
Well one of my issues with the AB selections was that it was very difficult to get the logic behind what skill sets they were after for certain positions.
We had a loose forward trio made up of open-side flankers and a centre combination made up of former outside backs...
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I'm actually quite excited about next year.
I think a Roigard/Dmac combination has a lot of excitement and promise to it. It allows the AB's to change their game plan quite considerably with a much more running halfback and a much closer to the gain-line first-5.
I hope we select some outside backs with an emphasis on tactical kicking so we can play the game in the right area's of the field. SS is an obvious choice but my goodness he needs to improve his defense.
There's the opportunity to rebalance the loose forward trio but what this looks like I have no idea, if we want to return to a genuine fetcher at 7 no-one in the current AB team really is.
Super rugby will be very interesting with new guys putting their hand up to fill the gaps.
Really need a new lock to come through to partner Scooter, the loose forwards will be interesting, need to build depth at HB, 1st 5 and in the centers.
I'm quietly optimistic, I just hope we can go in a new direction and play some exciting rugby - with all 15 players staying on the field...
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024:
I'm actually quite excited about next year
So am I -
I think Razor absolutely has names penciled in to keep an eye on at super next year that are outside the current squad, he will have players he will want to suit how he wants the ABs to play, the continuity with Ryan will no doubt help too.
Do we have the make up of his full coaching team yet?
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@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
I agree, and I'd also add that he is rarely given the ball in any kind of space to test his vision. We use our midfield as a battering ram these days, Jordie runs straight and hard, and on occasion throws an offload or a skip pass to the wing - I can't recall a time where he managed to put Rieko into a gap leading to a decision needing to be made.
Edit - should add, that's not a dig at Jordie, running hard and straight is exactly what we need from him. Just saying it has a bearing on the opportunities for those outside him
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I think Razor absolutely has names penciled in to keep an eye on at super next year that are outside the current squad, he will have players he will want to suit how he wants the ABs to play, the continuity with Ryan will no doubt help too.
Do we have the make up of his full coaching team yet?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:
I think Razor absolutely has names penciled in to keep an eye on at super next year that are outside the current squad, he will have players he will want to suit how he wants the ABs to play, the continuity with Ryan will no doubt help too.
Do we have the make up of his full coaching team yet?
back in april, not sure if there are other positions to fill
Incumbent All Blacks forwards coach Ryan will continue his role in 2024. Current Blues coach MacDonald will lead the attack with assistance from Hurricanes coach Holland, while Crusaders assistant coach Hansen will be in charge of defence. Nic Gill, who has been a key part of the All Blacks management group since 2008, will stay on as head of performance, leading the health and performance team.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
I agree, and I'd also add that he is rarely given the ball in any kind of space to test his vision. We use our midfield as a battering ram these days, Jordie runs straight and hard, and on occasion throws an offload or a skip pass to the wing - I can't recall a time where he managed to put Rieko into a gap leading to a decision needing to be made.
Edit - should add, that's not a dig at Jordie, running hard and straight is exactly what we need from him. Just saying it has a bearing on the opportunities for those outside him
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
I agree, and I'd also add that he is rarely given the ball in any kind of space to test his vision. We use our midfield as a battering ram these days, Jordie runs straight and hard, and on occasion throws an offload or a skip pass to the wing - I can't recall a time where he managed to put Rieko into a gap leading to a decision needing to be made.
Yup. Generally the two midfielders have been running very close together and it's up to JB to make the decision to crash it up, pop to RI on his shoulder or go to one of the options out the back. If RI is in space it's after bursting through on a short pass, not getting an outside break. It's a tactical decision and I presume it was about dealing with the rush defence
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@game_film Cane is signed until 2025. I've no idea if he has a sabbatical option though.
I guess we'll see next year how many of the forwards were Ryan picks.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
Cane is signed until 2025. I've no idea if he has a sabbatical option though
From the press release when he last re-signed:
As part of his contract, Cane has the option of taking a non-playing or playing break from the New Zealand game in 2024.
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i wonder if we will actually get a decent Super season, as now there are no guarantees. There is no pacing yourself for the international season for a few guys. I would assume Razor has a totally different idea of what he wants to the current lot, and i expect surprises. Should be fun.
Provincial wagons will definitely be circled on here.
