All Blacks 2024.. locked
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
Not to say that he is even in the same ball park as the GOAT, but lots of people thought Nonu wouldn't make it as an AB centre, but he didn't bloom until late
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
Not to say that he is even in the same ball park as the GOAT, but lots of people thought Nonu wouldn't make it as an AB centre, but he didn't bloom until late
I thought Nonu could be done after he blew marking BOD in Hamilton back in '09 or so. But he came back to be the GOAT 12.
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Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
i laffed then i thought yes yes yes select this hypothetical guy!
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
i laffed then i thought yes yes yes select this hypothetical guy!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
i laffed then i thought yes yes yes select this hypthetical guy!
fark he'd be awesome
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
i laffed then i thought yes yes yes select this hypthetical guy!
fark he'd be awesome
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
i laffed then i thought yes yes yes select this hypthetical guy!
fark he'd be awesome
maybe somewhere there is a SA genetics lab with an onduty witchdoctor that takes requests..
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Has Razor got enough international experience !!
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
Has Razor got enough international experience !!
not at losing, he hasn't!
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
Cane is signed until 2025. I've no idea if he has a sabbatical option though
From the press release when he last re-signed:
As part of his contract, Cane has the option of taking a non-playing or playing break from the New Zealand game in 2024.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2024:
From the press release when he last re-signed:
As part of his contract, Cane has the option of taking a non-playing or playing break from the New Zealand game in 2024.
A good chance Cane takes that now I would suggest.
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i wonder if we will actually get a decent Super season, as now there are no guarantees. There is no pacing yourself for the international season for a few guys. I would assume Razor has a totally different idea of what he wants to the current lot, and i expect surprises. Should be fun.
Provincial wagons will definitely be circled on here.
@mariner4life what provincial wagons are those?
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I would think Razor is in a very good position as a selector to pick the 2024 squad.
For the last 7 years he has coached and coached against all the NZ players in SR,
He would have a good handle on players strengths which he would have had to combat and any weakness which he would be looking to exploit.
And knowing the same about the players he had coached.
I guess McDonald and Holland should also be aware of who fits into their vision of The ABs tactics and game shape.
For much the same reasons. -
@mariner4life what provincial wagons are those?
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life what provincial wagons are those?
lol yes
But those north of the Bombays will be just as vociferous
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:
i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in
Yeah, we have no idea what team he will pick outside of the Crusaders bubble he's been in. He probably hasn't analysed a lot of the non Crusaders players from a selectorial point of view.
you think? i kind of think to get the gig he would/should have shown how much he knew about players outside his current team, i also think he'll have a very good idea on all the other players in NZ from oppo research and surely you cant help but think "i wish i could pick them"
One thing i do hope he does is reevaluate people that fozzie may have looked and and discarded (AI?), just to confirm if they werent up to it or if a different coach cant get the best out of them
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:
i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in
Yeah, we have no idea what team he will pick outside of the Crusaders bubble he's been in. He probably hasn't analysed a lot of the non Crusaders players from a selectorial point of view.
you think? i kind of think to get the gig he would/should have shown how much he knew about players outside his current team, i also think he'll have a very good idea on all the other players in NZ from oppo research and surely you cant help but think "i wish i could pick them"
One thing i do hope he does is reevaluate people that fozzie may have looked and and discarded (AI?), just to confirm if they werent up to it or if a different coach cant get the best out of them
Well I guess I should have been more specific in that as a Crusaders coach he wouldn't have been doing that, do I think he has been doing that since Super finished, yes of course. But that doesn't help any of us as fans have an idea of where he will lean. I was talking more of the mindset of evaluating players always in the context of your team rather than as an opposition coach. For example, I know that Razor has evaluated Fakatava in the context of his team because he tried to get him for the Crusaders. Not sure if he's ever looked at the Ginga in the same way?
So don't disagree with your post, just think you misinterpreted mine a bit.
I think the problem for AI is the fat forwards coach and he aint changing. He preferred that women hitting passenger who played in the final, Jacobsen and Ta$man Jesus.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.
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I would think Razor is in a very good position as a selector to pick the 2024 squad.
For the last 7 years he has coached and coached against all the NZ players in SR,
He would have a good handle on players strengths which he would have had to combat and any weakness which he would be looking to exploit.
And knowing the same about the players he had coached.
I guess McDonald and Holland should also be aware of who fits into their vision of The ABs tactics and game shape.
For much the same reasons.@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I would think Razor is in a very good position as a selector to pick the 2024 squad.
For the last 7 years he has coached and coached against all the NZ players in SR,
He would have a good handle on players strengths which he would have had to combat and any weakness which he would be looking to exploit.
And knowing the same about the players he had coached.
I guess McDonald and Holland should also be aware of who fits into their vision of The ABs tactics and game shape.
For much the same reasons.Ugh, I was happily looking forward to next year while reading this post until I got to here.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.
in fairness, I was typing fast.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:
i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in
Yeah, we have no idea what team he will pick outside of the Crusaders bubble he's been in. He probably hasn't analysed a lot of the non Crusaders players from a selectorial point of view.
you think? i kind of think to get the gig he would/should have shown how much he knew about players outside his current team, i also think he'll have a very good idea on all the other players in NZ from oppo research and surely you cant help but think "i wish i could pick them"
One thing i do hope he does is reevaluate people that fozzie may have looked and and discarded (AI?), just to confirm if they werent up to it or if a different coach cant get the best out of them
Well I guess I should have been more specific in that as a Crusaders coach he wouldn't have been doing that, do I think he has been doing that since Super finished, yes of course. But that doesn't help any of us as fans have an idea of where he will lean. I was talking more of the mindset of evaluating players always in the context of your team rather than as an opposition coach. For example, I know that Razor has evaluated Fakatava in the context of his team because he tried to get him for the Crusaders. Not sure if he's ever looked at the Ginga in the same way?
So don't disagree with your post, just think you misinterpreted mine a bit.
I think the problem for AI is the fat forwards coach and he aint changing. He preferred that women hitting passenger who played in the final, Jacobsen and Ta$man Jesus.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:
i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in
Yeah, we have no idea what team he will pick outside of the Crusaders bubble he's been in. He probably hasn't analysed a lot of the non Crusaders players from a selectorial point of view.
you think? i kind of think to get the gig he would/should have shown how much he knew about players outside his current team, i also think he'll have a very good idea on all the other players in NZ from oppo research and surely you cant help but think "i wish i could pick them"
One thing i do hope he does is reevaluate people that fozzie may have looked and and discarded (AI?), just to confirm if they werent up to it or if a different coach cant get the best out of them
Well I guess I should have been more specific in that as a Crusaders coach he wouldn't have been doing that, do I think he has been doing that since Super finished, yes of course. But that doesn't help any of us as fans have an idea of where he will lean. I was talking more of the mindset of evaluating players always in the context of your team rather than as an opposition coach. For example, I know that Razor has evaluated Fakatava in the context of his team because he tried to get him for the Crusaders. Not sure if he's ever looked at the Ginga in the same way?
So don't disagree with your post, just think you misinterpreted mine a bit.
I think the problem for AI is the fat forwards coach and he aint changing. He preferred that women hitting passenger who played in the final, Jacobsen and Ta$man Jesus.
I think i got what you meant....i just think he's been in the frame for the top job for so long that i would be surprised if he wasn't using that time to build up a bit of a dossier for if/when he got it
i mean, he was announced in march...so i dont think he will have waited for the super season to end to look at it through a different lens. I feel hes the kind of guy that has been viewing players through an AB coach lens for a long time...but at very least since March
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ah, some insight into the Razor mind might be who he picked and retained and talked about in the invitational/junior teams he coached?
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one letter....you managed to save the time it took to type one letter....
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one letter....you managed to save the time it took to type one letter....
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
one letter....you managed to save the time it took to type one letter....
Either that or he’s captaining the NZ b team. Also known as the JABs or NZ A
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@reprobate and what's the alternative? Scott Barrett who has brain explosions on a regular...
I've been impressed with Ardie's captaincy this year, I actually think he's matured a lot compared to when he started captaining the side a couple years ago (when he was prone to make silly decisions).
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@reprobate and what's the alternative? Scott Barrett who has brain explosions on a regular...
I've been impressed with Ardie's captaincy this year, I actually think he's matured a lot compared to when he started captaining the side a couple years ago (when he was prone to make silly decisions).
Can’t fault Ardie for leading by example. If it’s not Ardie, Sam or Scott does Jordie have leadership credentials??
