All Blacks 2024

KiwiMurph

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Winger Disagree completely.

I'd have no problem with Ardie, but for different reasons.

All Blacks get eyeballs because they win. Having a captain that cna influence refs is their core role. The rest is fluff. Leadership can come from VC or seniors in the squad. Diversity and entertainment are secondary to the core role.

If I were Razor, I'd be asking- for locked in starters:

Who can influence refs at the top level the best (or learn to, like McCaw)

Are any of them credible 4 year captains?

then I'd be looking at media skills, diversity, entertainment, etc.

Very few get past step 1. How many 4 year candidates are there? I suspect SBar, Rieko, Jordie and then you're scratching around.

Papali'i, Taukei'aho, De Groot and Lomax are probably the others you'd bank on being there in 2023.

I dunno.... there didn't look to be that much space in the DeLorean to me....

nzzp

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Winger Disagree completely.

I'd have no problem with Ardie, but for different reasons.

All Blacks get eyeballs because they win. Having a captain that cna influence refs is their core role. The rest is fluff. Leadership can come from VC or seniors in the squad. Diversity and entertainment are secondary to the core role.

If I were Razor, I'd be asking- for locked in starters:

Who can influence refs at the top level the best (or learn to, like McCaw)

Are any of them credible 4 year captains?

then I'd be looking at media skills, diversity, entertainment, etc.

Very few get past step 1. How many 4 year candidates are there? I suspect SBar, Rieko, Jordie and then you're scratching around.

Papali'i, Taukei'aho, De Groot and Lomax are probably the others you'd bank on being there in 2023. Papali'i is a pretty feasible option in my mind.

Dalton - only if Razor rates his game.
Sami - dropped off a cliff, and hookers are often replaced
Props aren't great captaincy choices and again often get replaced.

Winger

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Papali'i is a pretty feasible option in my mind.

He's not even rated no1 for the Blues.

WE really haven't got an obvious candidate at present. I would go for Ardie as a Umaga type appointment. Not a long-term appointment but the best there is now. Definitely not Scott. Some might underestimate the importance of the other factors. In this day and age rugby in this country can continue its decline. Or start doing something a bit different to try and grab back a (much) bigger audience.

taniwharugby

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Dalton - only if Razor rates his game.

think it was 2022 when Dalton looked for all money future AB captain, his leadership in the blues was evident, more so when he wasnt there.

But the argument is less strong now, although I expect he would certainly grow into it.

nzzp

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

But the argument is less strong now, although I expect he would certainly grow into it.

unless they picked Patty to free Dalton up for the ABs.

CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME! RAZOR IS SECRETLY AN AUCKLANDER TRANSPLANTED TO THE BAY. BELIEVE EVERYTHING I WRITE IT'S IN CAPS AND I RESEARCHED IT ON FACEBOOK.

Gunner

@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Papali'i is a pretty feasible option in my mind.

He's not even rated no1 for the Blues.

Wasn’t an issue for Fitzpatrick, if my memory serves me right. Wasn’t Zinzan the Auckland captain when Fitzy was AB captain?

Mr Fish

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Winger Disagree completely.

I'd have no problem with Ardie, but for different reasons.

All Blacks get eyeballs because they win. Having a captain that cna influence refs is their core role. The rest is fluff. Leadership can come from VC or seniors in the squad. Diversity and entertainment are secondary to the core role.

If I were Razor, I'd be asking- for locked in starters:

Who can influence refs at the top level the best (or learn to, like McCaw)

Are any of them credible 4 year captains?

then I'd be looking at media skills, diversity, entertainment, etc.

Very few get past step 1. How many 4 year candidates are there? I suspect SBar, Rieko, Jordie and then you're scratching around.

Papali'i, Taukei'aho, De Groot and Lomax are probably the others you'd bank on being there in 2023. Papali'i is a pretty feasible option in my mind.

Dalton - only if Razor rates his game.
Sami - dropped off a cliff, and hookers are often replaced
Props aren't great captaincy choices and again often get replaced.

Think dropped off a cliff is a major overstatement. Other than Aumua, he's still been the best and most consistent NZ hooker throughout Super Rugby this year.

Agree that hookers and props are often replaced and aren't necessarily great captaincy options, was more just commenting on the fact that they're likely to be around for the long-term. I don't think Ioane is a good captaincy option either.

Kirwan

@Gunner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Papali'i is a pretty feasible option in my mind.

He's not even rated no1 for the Blues.

Wasn’t an issue for Fitzpatrick, if my memory serves me right. Wasn’t Zinzan the Auckland captain when Fitzy was AB captain?

Yep, they did they to take some work off his plate.

gt12

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Gunner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Papali'i is a pretty feasible option in my mind.

He's not even rated no1 for the Blues.

Wasn’t an issue for Fitzpatrick, if my memory serves me right. Wasn’t Zinzan the Auckland captain when Fitzy was AB captain?

Yep, they did they to take some work off his plate.

My conspiracy is that is the reason why Paps isn’t captain this year.

We’ve had different AB and Super captains quite a bit. I think McCaw wasn’t captain at times for the Saders (or has dementia finally hit?)

KiwiMurph

I believe one of @george33 takes was that Dalton would be AB captain.

BorderJB

Could we see Jordie Barrett as captain??? He's likely to be the 12 going forward under Razor, plays 80mins, will go through to 2027, he's been captain for the Canes more often even with others in there this year.

Duluth

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I believe one of @george33 takes was that Dalton would be AB captain.

Chris said similar but then took it back later

They both said the Robertson met with Papali'i in April last year. A couple of weeks after he got the job

canefan

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I believe one of @george33 takes was that Dalton would be AB captain.

Chris said similar but then took it back later

They both said the Robertson met with Papali'i in April last year. A couple of weeks after he got the job

If that was the case, by extension I expect DP would be a lock for one of the lose forward starting places

Chris

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I believe one of @george33 takes was that Dalton would be AB captain.

Chris said similar but then took it back later

They both said the Robertson met with Papali'i in April last year. A couple of weeks after he got the job

Yeah he did but as I said I wasn’t sure what for.
George mentioned it was for Captaincy

nzzp

Interesting there have been no leaks. Sam Cane was clearly anointed - who Razor picks is a genuine mystery!

mariner4life

@BorderJB said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Could we see Jordie Barrett as captain??? He's likely to be the 12 going forward under Razor, plays 80mins, will go through to 2027, he's been captain for the Canes more often even with others in there this year.

No. Fuck no.

Dumb as a box of rocks. Big game bottler.

No.

BorderJB

@mariner4life Haha all good, has been used more often as Cap though. Has a bit of rugby intelligence doesn't he??

Tim

@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

de Groot
Tu'ungufasi
Lomax
Newell
Numia/Williams
Taylor
Taukei'aho
Aumua
S Barrett
Tuipulotu
Vaai
Papalii
Savea
Finau
Sotutu
Ioane
~~Jacobson~~
~~Perenara~~
Christie
Ratima
McKenzie
Perofeta
B Barrett
J Barrett
R Ioane
Proctor
Lienert-Brown
Clarke
Telea
Reece
~~Narawa~~
Love

MN5

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@BorderJB said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Could we see Jordie Barrett as captain??? He's likely to be the 12 going forward under Razor, plays 80mins, will go through to 2027, he's been captain for the Canes more often even with others in there this year.

No. Fuck no.

Dumb as a box of rocks. Big game bottler.

No.

So it would be just like when Sam Cane was captain then ?

ruggabee

@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I believe one of @george33 takes was that Dalton would be AB captain.

Chris said similar but then took it back later

They both said the Robertson met with Papali'i in April last year. A couple of weeks after he got the job

If that was the case, by extension I expect DP would be a lock for one of the lose forward starting places

I'm starting to wonder if

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Dalton - only if Razor rates his game.

think it was 2022 when Dalton looked for all money future AB captain, his leadership in the blues was evident, more so when he wasnt there.

But the argument is less strong now, although I expect he would certainly grow into it.

There was an article where Dalton attributed a lot of his growth and development as a leader that year to Schmidt, who was an assistant in 2022.

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