All Blacks 2024
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Depends on the nature of the losses, but 10-4 would be a low bar for many people.
To quote Marcellus Wallace: "You see, this profession is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers."
I guess everyone has their own expectations. I'm reading what Grubster is writing and thinking I'm on the same page.
One thing I haven't really taken into account is to what extent these other teams are rebuilding.
England for instance seem to have pretty much the same forward pack they used at the RWC, but the backs are markedly different. The couple of preview articles I've read suggest they're playing more expansively and the English have some optimism that they might catch us undercooked. Considering Razor's got two weeks to unfold his gameplan (and sprinkle his magic dust around) that wouldn't surprise me.
If we go down to the poms the sharks will be taking chunks out of the sufboard before he's paddled past the breakers.
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If we go down to the poms the sharks will be taking chunks out of the sufboard before he's paddled past the breakers.
I think England will be tougher than many think and why I expect a pretty conservative approach selection and game plan-wise.
It would be pretty dumb to get the knives out if we ship a game against the Poms - which I don't think will happen. Lose a couple of games in the RC and on the EOYT and I think some questions will rightly be asked.
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
Others are more capable of commenting, and they are rebuilding in places, but have a strong pack and the backs are starting to gel. There's 4-5 news caps IIRC. I rate Borthwick as a coach - he getting their heads into the right space.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
hmmmm....
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
First Test in charge, wants to get off to a good start, same forwards coach, pick as much of the RWC team as possible?
There is a logic to it. Innovation can kick in once he has his feet under the table
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@Machpants Cheers.
What about their other backs - any new guns?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants Cheers.
What about their other backs - any new guns?
As @Machpants said, there's some exciting players out wide. 4-5 new caps IIRC. Ollie Lawrence is developing in midfield with Slade. Marcus Smith is a talent, but over-hyped. Overall, I think our 10-15 is much better.
My big concern is around who Robertson plays at 9 as the England pack could well be a handful.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If we go down to the poms the sharks will be taking chunks out of the sufboard before he's paddled past the breakers.
I think England will be tougher than many think and why I expect a pretty conservative approach selection and game plan-wise.
It would be pretty dumb to get the knives out if we ship a game against the Poms - which I don't think will happen. Lose a couple of games in the RC and on the EOYT and I think some questions will rightly be asked.
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
Others are more capable of commenting, and they are rebuilding in places, but have a strong pack and the backs are starting to gel. There's 4-5 news caps IIRC. I rate Borthwick as a coach - he getting their heads into the right space.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Cane was good enough to be AB captain last year and if Razor considers him fit enough with two weeks to get a squad ready to play against England, why wouldn't he be in the squad?
Because he's an absolute warrior who is really limited in his game.
Hopefully he was at the camp to deliver motivational talks to the lads about legacy.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Cane was good enough to be AB captain last year and if Razor considers him fit enough with two weeks to get a squad ready to play against England, why wouldn't he be in the squad?
Because he's an absolute warrior who is really limited in his game.
Hopefully he was at the camp to deliver motivational talks to the lads about legacy.
Coach in his first-ever Test and a new captain - makes perfect sense to get a bloke with Cane's experience involved.
Whatever limitations Cane may have, excess of ego and lack of esprit de corps aren't on the list.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
He was no Martin Johnson, Danny Greenock or Simon Shaw
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
He was no Martin Johnson, Danny Greenock or Simon Shaw
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
He was no Martin Johnson, Danny Greenock or Simon Shaw
Trust you to not be able to Grewcock
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
He was no Martin Johnson, Danny Greenock or Simon Shaw
Trust you to not be able to Grewcock
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
He was no Martin Johnson, Danny Greenock or Simon Shaw
Trust you to not be able to Grewcock
Was typing one handed while flipping chicken on the Weber.
Be thankful I gave your lame post the time of day
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
He was no Martin Johnson, Danny Greenock or Simon Shaw
Trust you to not be able to Grewcock
Was typing one handed while flipping chicken on the Weber.
Be thankful I gave your lame post the time of day
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Was typing one handed while flipping chicken on the Weber.
How is Brad these days?
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If there's 5 loosies and two of them are Ardie & Cane, there's only three places for SR players. If Blackadder takes up one of them then there's only two loosies with meaningful SR form
Remember when Canes fans were talking about how many loosies they were going to have in the squad? It could easily be zero from this years team
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If there's 5 loosies and two of them are Ardie & Cane, there's only three places for SR players. If Blackadder takes up one of them then there's only two loosies with meaningful SR form
Remember when Canes fans were talking about how many loosies they were going to have in the squad? It could easily be zero from this years team
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
On what basis though? He's hardly played this year and when he has it has been in the Japan league which is a massive step down from test rugby. Razor made a comment that he was going to pick the 'best players', Cane isn't that anymore.
So you too think Ardie should be in the NPC instead?
How good is this week going to be.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If there's 5 loosies and two of them are Ardie & Cane, there's only three places for SR players. If Blackadder takes up one of them then there's only two loosies with meaningful SR form
Remember when Canes fans were talking about how many loosies they were going to have in the squad? It could easily be zero from this years team
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
On what basis though? He's hardly played this year and when he has it has been in the Japan league which is a massive step down from test rugby. Razor made a comment that he was going to pick the 'best players', Cane isn't that anymore.
So you too think Ardie should be in the NPC instead?
How good is this week going to be.
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@Victor-Meldrew ordering that shit just to see how I reuse the digested popcorn.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
He was no Martin Johnson, Danny Greenock or Simon Shaw
Trust you to not be able to Grewcock
Was typing one handed while flipping chicken on the Weber.
Be thankful I gave your lame post the time of day
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
He was no Martin Johnson, Danny Greenock or Simon Shaw
Trust you to not be able to Grewcock
Was typing one handed while flipping chicken on the Weber.
Is that what you youngsters call it nowadays?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
He was no Martin Johnson, Danny Greenock or Simon Shaw
Trust you to not be able to Grewcock
Was typing one handed while flipping chicken on the Weber.
Is that what you youngsters call it nowadays?
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I rate Borthwick as a coach
Think he's pretty ordinary myself.
Lucky you specified coach though, he'd be even worse as a player I reckon. Probably a shit physio too.
He was no Martin Johnson, Danny Greenock or Simon Shaw
Trust you to not be able to Grewcock
Was typing one handed while flipping chicken on the Weber.
Is that what you youngsters call it nowadays?
You just wait until they get a mains powered rotisserie
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Given his versatility I wonder if Poihipi has caught Panadol’s eye? Part of probably the most dangerous Superb rugby backline.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Given his versatility I wonder if Poihipi has caught Panadol’s eye? Part of probably the most dangerous Superb rugby backline.
Apparently Holland is the midfield selector so I don't think there will be any surprises. I think they'll select four midfielders, and I can't see anyone else pushing out ALB, JB, RI and BP at this late stage.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Given his versatility I wonder if Poihipi has caught Panadol’s eye? Part of probably the most dangerous Superb rugby backline.
Apparently Holland is the midfield selector so I don't think there will be any surprises. I think they'll select four midfielders, and I can't see anyone else pushing out ALB, JB, RI and BP at this late stage.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Given his versatility I wonder if Poihipi has caught Panadol’s eye? Part of probably the most dangerous Superb rugby backline.
Apparently Holland is the midfield selector so I don't think there will be any surprises. I think they'll select four midfielders, and I can't see anyone else pushing out ALB, JB, RI and BP at this late stage.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Given his versatility I wonder if Poihipi has caught Panadol’s eye? Part of probably the most dangerous Superb rugby backline.
Apparently Holland is the midfield selector so I don't think there will be any surprises. I think they'll select four midfielders, and I can't see anyone else pushing out ALB, JB, RI and BP at this late stage.
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The ABs injured list and who might replace them
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Will Jordan: It was announced in February that the Crusaders fullback would be missing for about six months, so Jordan could return in time for the The Rugby Championship. That shoulder injury has delayed Jordan’s much-anticipated move into the All Blacks No 15 jersey. Hurricanes fullback Ruben Love is a strong candidate to replace Jordan, although the Chiefs’ Shaun Stevenson mirrors Jordan’s versatility in the back three.Cam Roigard: The Hurricanes No 9 ruptured his left patella tendon in late March, ruling him out for up to six months. That was a big blow for the All Blacks, as Roigard was the early favourite to be the starting halfback against England. TJ Perenara’s strong return from his own injury issues means the All Blacks have plenty of experience to call upon, but the big winner will be Cortez Ratima, the uncapped Chiefs halfback who could even push for a start against England.
Samisoni Taukei’aho: The signs did not look good for the hooker he left the field with an Achilles injury against the Hurricanes last weekend. The All Blacks will be preparing for the worst, which would be Taukei’aho missing for the rest of the year. A third hooker will definitely be needed in July, and the All Blacks will have to make a decision between form and potential. Ricky Riccitelli has been outstanding for the Blues, but the Crusaders’ George Bell has clearly been earmarked for higher honours over the past two years and Robertson and Jason Ryan might be able to look past his lineout issues at the wobbly Crusaders this season.
Xavier Numia: The Hurricanes prop was banging down the door in Super Rugby Pacific after a series of strong scrummaging performances, and he cut a forlorn figure after injuring himself against the Rebels in the quarterfinal. The All Blacks aren’t short of loosehead options but Numia was clearly in the top three over the course of the campaign. If the All Blacks select six props, the Crusaders’ George Bower could get a recall.
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Sam Cane: The 32-year-old announced in May that this would his last year in test rugby, and he missed a large chunk of the Japanese season due to a back injury. That might rule him out of the July tests, but Cane is one of the toughest players of the past 10 years and knows how to get ready for the highest level. But if he’s not available, Luke Jacobson is a like-for-like replacement.Josh Lord: The lock was ruled out of the remainder of Super Rugby Pacific in early May, and he is so short of rugby that it would be hard to pick him even if he was technically injury free. It’s been a horror run for the talented lock and raised some real question marks about locking depth in New Zealand, at least until Fabian Holland and Jamie Hannah are eligible/ready. In the short term, the Crusaders’ Quentin Strange could be the man who gets the nod.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Yes, he has been named in the Blues’ starting lineup for the Super Rugby Pacific final, but there must be some doubt about how fit he is. Tuipulotu limped off in the first half of the quarterfinal against the Drua with a knee injury, and he was expected to miss between six and seven weeks. Either he’s a miraculous healer, or the Blues are rolling the dice a bit. Either way, the All Blacks coaches will be hloding their breath to see how he holds up in the final.
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@gt12 isn't Havili injured?
Like that will matter
