All Blacks 2024
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i really would love to see a squad picked purely on form, no one there on potential or past glory's
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Holland on SENZ
Reading between the lines they don't rate Sotutu's defensive work as they keep saying both sides of the ball.
I did chuckle at Holland agreeing that set piece will be huge vs England (then why select Bell).
Ardie and Sititi both seen as 8s.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Reading between the lines they don't rate Sotutu's defensive work as they keep saying both sides of the ball.
Interesting.
I think this was also what Fozzie and co didn't like.
Flat track bully behind a dominant pack is how they might see him. -
Reckon that's 90% of the squad most predicted, a couple tough calls to go with a couple of lucky ones.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Reckon that's 90% of the squad most predicted, a couple tough calls to go with a couple of lucky ones.
And it is ever thus.
We could go through many a squad naming in the past 30 years and pick out the players that stunned, surprised and even bewildered.
And I’m sure we could all put a provincial/franchise flavour to it
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
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Havili shouldn't even be cover IMO. I don't mind the Bower cover choice but the Havili call shits me. Surely there is more reliable or fresh talent to build up. A J Lam for example.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Havili shouldn't even be cover IMO. I don't mind the Bower cover choice but the Havili call shits me. Surely there is more reliable or fresh talent to build up. A J Lam for example.
Havili was dreadful this year. So cover is on past performances whilst a Crusader.
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I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
But
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country. The fact he has missed selection here is disgraceful. For years we sat back and watched Ioane get overlooked, while coaches sat up there and made vague statements in favour of clearly inferior players. He's gone now, while worse players are in. Sotutu is exactly the same. This is a bullshit decision. That loose forward mix is all over the place.
Blackadder and Jacobson are the same player (but Jacobson is better). For a former loose forward it appears he knows fuck all about loose forward play at test level. I shouldn't be surprised, this is a guy who was a barely adequate test player picking similar players. John Mitchell-esque.
6 loosies. Finau and Ioane. Papali'i and Jacobson. Savea and Sotutu. That was easy. Next group.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Guys, guys.
We're missing the wood for the trees.
Strange wasn't selected.
And cane
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Guys, guys.
We're missing the wood for the trees.
Strange wasn't selected.
And cane
I could easily have lived with his selection
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I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
But
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country. The fact he has missed selection here is disgraceful. For years we sat back and watched Ioane get overlooked, while coaches sat up there and made vague statements in favour of clearly inferior players. He's gone now, while worse players are in. Sotutu is exactly the same. This is a bullshit decision. That loose forward mix is all over the place.
Blackadder and Jacobson are the same player (but Jacobson is better). For a former loose forward it appears he knows fuck all about loose forward play at test level. I shouldn't be surprised, this is a guy who was a barely adequate test player picking similar players. John Mitchell-esque.
6 loosies. Finau and Ioane. Papali'i and Jacobson. Savea and Sotutu. That was easy. Next group.
@mariner4life good post.
Like I said, Razor better win. Drop a game to england and the knives will come out. Ya get cute with selection, better make sure your players step up.
Is he trying to recreate the Canterbury monoculture in the ABs?
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Guys, guys.
We're missing the wood for the trees.
Strange wasn't selected.
And cane
I could easily have lived with his selection
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Guys, guys.
We're missing the wood for the trees.
Strange wasn't selected.
And cane
I could easily have lived with his selection
Ah, not considered due to injury, so his time may come... Again. More captains reds required
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Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
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I don't mind the Sititi selection, I won't get to see it but a Finau Savea (at 7) and Sititi combo would have been interesting. Then again start Sotutu at 8 then Sititi off the bench, grab some popcorn and listen to the international commentators try to get across that..
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
I think in your comment on half the Fern wouldn't pick Christie may some uo why all us Ferners are just internet experts and not actually picking and coaching teams of any real meaning. I doubt whether many of us even know what plan the ABs will have , and so why these players have been selected. I am pretty happy with whole bloody team , may have picked a few different ones, but must admit I have only seen most of these fellas on tv anyway.
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Oh gee here's Dan telling us he agrees with the selectors and everything is awesome
They wrote the Lego movie about you Dan
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I don't mind the Sititi selection, I won't get to see it but a Finau Savea (at 7) and Sititi combo would have been interesting. Then again start Sotutu at 8 then Sititi off the bench, grab some popcorn and listen to the international commentators try to get across that..
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't mind the Sititi selection, I won't get to see it but a Finau Savea (at 7) and Sititi combo would have been interesting. Then again start Sotutu at 8 then Sititi off the bench, grab some popcorn and listen to the international commentators try to get across that..
Ardie is our 8. He's world rugby player ,playing at 8, why would you change him?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't mind the Sititi selection, I won't get to see it but a Finau Savea (at 7) and Sititi combo would have been interesting. Then again start Sotutu at 8 then Sititi off the bench, grab some popcorn and listen to the international commentators try to get across that..
Ardie is our 8. He's world rugby player ,playing at 8, why would you change him?
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't mind the Sititi selection, I won't get to see it but a Finau Savea (at 7) and Sititi combo would have been interesting. Then again start Sotutu at 8 then Sititi off the bench, grab some popcorn and listen to the international commentators try to get across that..
Ardie is our 8. He's world rugby player ,playing at 8, why would you change him?
Because he's allergic to rucks and dominant tackles
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Oh gee here's Dan telling us he agrees with the selectors and everything is awesome
They wrote the Lego movie about you Dan
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Oh gee here's Dan telling us he agrees with the selectors and everything is awesome
They wrote the Lego movie about you Dan
You just don't understand or know enough and aren't a true rugby man
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So we have to pick workhorses around him so he can throw stupid dummies and make 3m and reddit dipshits can cream their pants over him
