All Blacks 2024
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
You're not talking to Christie's biggest fan here, but who would you have replaced him with?
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
Yes his positioning was poor (much better this year) but the pickings were slim.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
Beaudy played well at the RWC from fullback. It's his efforts at 10 that had people upset.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
I've said this before; it's not about the future, it's about beating England in a fortnight. Pick the squad whose form demands it.
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
It is unfathomable to me that Akira doesn't make it, that Sotutu was a lock in his position in the most dominating loose forward trio and doesn't make it, that Plummer's game didn't make the selectors think he's suited to Test footy.
I think some of these selectors are clowns and the contentious calls reflect their abilities as coaches.
Bell is shit at his core role. Like three legged donkey level shit.
The mere fact Havili is squad cover defies belief.
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Imagine you are one of those young hookers picked, you step up for your first throw, and you see two power locks and 3 opensides to throw to
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The lineout is actually a big issue
The ABs were happy to win 2 ball because Smith's pass made 2-ball still attacking ball. Imagine being an opposition loose forward hunting AB 2-ball off a Christie or TJ pass?
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Tough crowd.
World Rugby Player of the Year isn't good enough for Razor's All Blacks.Dumbest award there is.
It's like making a point with a YouTube highlight reel
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Tough crowd.
World Rugby Player of the Year isn't good enough for Razor's All Blacks.Dumbest award there is.
It's like making a point with a YouTube highlight reel
True, I mean the past winners are definitely a bunch of donkeys.
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Perofeta is an interesting case as to how this selection by group plays out
So Leon picks Perofeta cos he's a fullback and Leon picks the outsides but what if Scott Hansen wanted say Plummer as a 3rd 10 as Hansen was picking the halves. Did Hansen get told sorry you only get to pick 2 x 10s.
Or what if Holland who was picking midfield wanted Havili or Poihipi who can also cover 10?
How does any of this actually work?
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Imagine you are one of those young hookers picked, you step up for your first throw, and you see two power locks and 3 opensides to throw to
@mariner4life bells throwing is equivalent to ben Simmons 3pt shooting which doesn’t help
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
I think in your comment on half the Fern wouldn't pick Christie may some uo why all us Ferners are just internet experts and not actually picking and coaching teams of any real meaning. I doubt whether many of us even know what plan the ABs will have , and so why these players have been selected. I am pretty happy with whole bloody team , may have picked a few different ones, but must admit I have only seen most of these fellas on tv anyway.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
I think in your comment on half the Fern wouldn't pick Christie may some uo why all us Ferners are just internet experts and not actually picking and coaching teams of any real meaning. I doubt whether many of us even know what plan the ABs will have , and so why these players have been selected.
I'm a rugby savant so I'll tell you what the plan is: Station Finau wide so he can't put a shoulder on close to rucks and terrify five-eighths running too close to the line making Papali'i tire himself out doing three loose forwards' work on defence. Be one injury away from a hooker that can't throw. Throw slow, loopy passes from rucks once the opposition have got back onside and fanned out. Be an injury away from asking an ageing fullback to take over at 10 and bringing on a defensively frail fullback who offers no counter attacking threat of note.
There's nuances of course, but that's the underlying strategy.
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Holland said they like Perofeta's high ball work and his ability to counter from the back. Said they have been very impressed with him the last few weeks. They see him as a 15.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Holland said they like Perofeta's high ball work and his ability to counter from the back. Said they have been very impressed with him the last few weeks. They see him as a 15.
This doesn’t make any sense, Love is better than Perofeta in both those areas. The only reason Perofeta gets in is because Leon selected the back field.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't mind the Sititi selection, I won't get to see it but a Finau Savea (at 7) and Sititi combo would have been interesting. Then again start Sotutu at 8 then Sititi off the bench, grab some popcorn and listen to the international commentators try to get across that..
Ardie is our 8. He's world rugby player ,playing at 8, why would you change him?
Because he's allergic to rucks and dominant tackles
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't mind the Sititi selection, I won't get to see it but a Finau Savea (at 7) and Sititi combo would have been interesting. Then again start Sotutu at 8 then Sititi off the bench, grab some popcorn and listen to the international commentators try to get across that..
Ardie is our 8. He's world rugby player ,playing at 8, why would you change him?
Because he's allergic to rucks and dominant tackles
How the fuck do people not see this?
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Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
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The Blues boys will be disappointed. But it's Razor's first squad. They need to come back next season and smash everyone up front just like this season, especially the crusaders. And wait to see if the guys he's picked can come up with the goods. If not the pressure will ramp up pretty quick
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I don't mind the Sititi selection, I won't get to see it but a Finau Savea (at 7) and Sititi combo would have been interesting. Then again start Sotutu at 8 then Sititi off the bench, grab some popcorn and listen to the international commentators try to get across that..
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't mind the Sititi selection, I won't get to see it but a Finau Savea (at 7) and Sititi combo would have been interesting. Then again start Sotutu at 8 then Sititi off the bench, grab some popcorn and listen to the international commentators try to get across that..
Sititi to Sotutu would be good fun
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Tough crowd.
World Rugby Player of the Year isn't good enough for Razor's All Blacks.Savea's incredible, but unbalances the trio. This isn't new.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Tough crowd.
World Rugby Player of the Year isn't good enough for Razor's All Blacks.Savea's incredible, but unbalances the trio. This isn't new.
haha - am I hallucinating?
You dudes are suggesting Ardie Savea shouldn't be picked. -
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Tough crowd.
World Rugby Player of the Year isn't good enough for Razor's All Blacks.Savea's incredible, but unbalances the trio. This isn't new.
haha - am I hallucinating?
You dudes are suggesting Ardie Savea shouldn't be picked.@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Tough crowd.
World Rugby Player of the Year isn't good enough for Razor's All Blacks.Savea's incredible, but unbalances the trio. This isn't new.
haha - am I hallucinating?
You dudes are suggesting Ardie Savea shouldn't be picked.No, he definitely should be. On the bench.
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He's the ultimate bench player. Fuck he would be good coming in at the 50 minute mark
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How about player's player of the year (multiples), as voted by the ABs themselves? I think they know better than Reddit creamers
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
How about player's player of the year (multiples), as voted by the ABs themselves? I think they know better than Reddit creamers
Oh yeah cuz, another plate from the buffet Ards, I got ya.
The boy has some mana no doubt about it, but there are certainly things in his game that have caused balance issues.
