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  • Windows97W Windows97

    All the contentious selections went with provincial bias of the selectors.

    Ryan with Bell.
    Razor with blackadder. Jacobsen is also a bad call and I'm a Chiefs fan.
    McDonald with Perofeta.

    In appearing to be fair they seemed to have made it worse.

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    @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    All the contentious selections went with provincial bias of the selectors.

    Ryan with Bell.
    Razor with blackadder. Jacobsen is also a bad call and I'm a Chiefs fan.
    McDonald with Perofeta.

    In appearing to be fair they seemed to have made it worse.

    Jacobsen was always going to get selected in my opinion.

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    • Mr FishM Mr Fish

      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      Does Anyone know when the Maori ABs are named .?

      Tuesday at 9am.

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      @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      Does Anyone know when the Maori ABs are named .?

      Tuesday at 9am.

      Thanks Mate

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        @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

        Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

        @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

        I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

        He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

        Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

        Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

        Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

        you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

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        @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

        Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

        @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

        I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

        He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

        Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

        Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

        Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

        you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

        Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.

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          Ioane is going overseas, can we stop talking about him as a potential option?

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          • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

            @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

            All the contentious selections went with provincial bias of the selectors.

            Ryan with Bell.
            Razor with blackadder. Jacobsen is also a bad call and I'm a Chiefs fan.
            McDonald with Perofeta.

            In appearing to be fair they seemed to have made it worse.

            Jacobsen was always going to get selected in my opinion.

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            @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

            @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

            All the contentious selections went with provincial bias of the selectors.

            Ryan with Bell.
            Razor with blackadder. Jacobsen is also a bad call and I'm a Chiefs fan.
            McDonald with Perofeta.

            In appearing to be fair they seemed to have made it worse.

            Jacobsen was always going to get selected in my opinion.

            For the life of me I don't see why. He's a jack of all trades and master of none. Played at 7 at the business end of the season for the Chiefs as Finau and Sititi we're just better than him.

            He's a utility foodbill selection.

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            • Windows97W Windows97

              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

              @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

              All the contentious selections went with provincial bias of the selectors.

              Ryan with Bell.
              Razor with blackadder. Jacobsen is also a bad call and I'm a Chiefs fan.
              McDonald with Perofeta.

              In appearing to be fair they seemed to have made it worse.

              Jacobsen was always going to get selected in my opinion.

              For the life of me I don't see why. He's a jack of all trades and master of none. Played at 7 at the business end of the season for the Chiefs as Finau and Sititi we're just better than him.

              He's a utility foodbill selection.

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              @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

              @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

              All the contentious selections went with provincial bias of the selectors.

              Ryan with Bell.
              Razor with blackadder. Jacobsen is also a bad call and I'm a Chiefs fan.
              McDonald with Perofeta.

              In appearing to be fair they seemed to have made it worse.

              Jacobsen was always going to get selected in my opinion.

              For the life of me I don't see why. He's a jack of all trades and master of none. Played at 7 at the business end of the season for the Chiefs as Finau and Sititi we're just better than him.

              He's a utility foodbill selection.

              Him getting totally run over by Brayden Iose this year doesn't give me much confidence for him to dominate at test level.

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it

                But

                I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country. The fact he has missed selection here is disgraceful. For years we sat back and watched Ioane get overlooked, while coaches sat up there and made vague statements in favour of clearly inferior players. He's gone now, while worse players are in. Sotutu is exactly the same. This is a bullshit decision. That loose forward mix is all over the place.

                Blackadder and Jacobson are the same player (but Jacobson is better). For a former loose forward it appears he knows fuck all about loose forward play at test level. I shouldn't be surprised, this is a guy who was a barely adequate test player picking similar players. John Mitchell-esque.

                6 loosies. Finau and Ioane. Papali'i and Jacobson. Savea and Sotutu. That was easy. Next group.

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                Jacobson is a surprise I'll admit...

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                • Windows97W Windows97

                  @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  All the contentious selections went with provincial bias of the selectors.

                  Ryan with Bell.
                  Razor with blackadder. Jacobsen is also a bad call and I'm a Chiefs fan.
                  McDonald with Perofeta.

                  In appearing to be fair they seemed to have made it worse.

                  Jacobsen was always going to get selected in my opinion.

                  For the life of me I don't see why. He's a jack of all trades and master of none. Played at 7 at the business end of the season for the Chiefs as Finau and Sititi we're just better than him.

                  He's a utility foodbill selection.

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                  @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  All the contentious selections went with provincial bias of the selectors.

                  Ryan with Bell.
                  Razor with blackadder. Jacobsen is also a bad call and I'm a Chiefs fan.
                  McDonald with Perofeta.

                  In appearing to be fair they seemed to have made it worse.

                  Jacobsen was always going to get selected in my opinion.

                  For the life of me I don't see why. He's a jack of all trades and master of none. Played at 7 at the business end of the season for the Chiefs as Finau and Sititi we're just better than him.

                  He's a utility foodbill selection.

                  Another one. Let’s not forget Blackadder

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                  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

                    Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

                    @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

                    I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

                    He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

                    Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

                    Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

                    Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

                    you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

                    Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.

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                    @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

                    Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

                    @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

                    I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

                    He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

                    Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

                    Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

                    Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

                    you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

                    Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.

                    the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
                    jacobson picked as a 7
                    Blackadder at 6
                    who would you pick at 6

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                    • P ploughboy

                      @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

                      Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

                      @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

                      I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

                      He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

                      Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

                      Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

                      Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

                      you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

                      Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.

                      the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
                      jacobson picked as a 7
                      Blackadder at 6
                      who would you pick at 6

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                      @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      who would you pick at 6

                      The guy who.dominated on Saturday

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                      • Mr FishM Mr Fish

                        Ioane is going overseas, can we stop talking about him as a potential option?

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                        @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        Ioane is going overseas, can we stop talking about him as a potential option?

                        and why is he going overseas?

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                        • Windows97W Windows97

                          All I can really say is Razor wanted to be known as the coach who picked the best players...

                          Hold my bud light say Bell, Perofeta, Blackadder, Jacobsen and Tosi (who was on no-one's rader but the AB selectors it appears).

                          Feel sory for Sotutu, Plumber, Laki and Love - all of them deserve to be there.

                          Very odd we've only got 3 players covering 1st 5 and fullback.

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                          @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          All I can really say is Razor wanted to be known as the coach who picked the best players...

                          Hold my bud light say Bell, Perofeta, Blackadder, Jacobsen and Tosi (who was on no-one's rader but the AB selectors it appears).

                          Feel sory for Sotutu, Plumber, Laki and Love - all of them deserve to be there.

                          Very odd we've only got 3 players covering 1st 5 and fullback.

                          This is what makes me laugh. Selection is a subjective exercise, it’s not about who’s deserving (whatever that means). Just who the coaches want in the side. And they get to justify it by what happens out on the field.

                          We don’t agree with certain selections that’s fine. We are fortunate enough to be able to argue about it online without fear or favour. But deserving? nah.

                          Someone asked about the selection process and one of the assistant’s gave us an insight into the process and the way they go about. I highly doubt they are using words like ‘deserve’ but rather here is the gameplan we will execute at set piece or off turnovers and these are the guys we need.

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                          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                            @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            who would you pick at 6

                            The guy who.dominated on Saturday

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                            @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            who would you pick at 6

                            The guy who.dominated on Saturday

                            don't believe he is available

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                              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              who would you pick at 6

                              The guy who.dominated on Saturday

                              don't believe he is available

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                              @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              who would you pick at 6

                              The guy who.dominated on Saturday

                              don't believe he is available

                              and why isn't he available?

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                                @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

                                Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

                                @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

                                I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

                                He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

                                Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

                                Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

                                Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

                                you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

                                Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.

                                the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
                                jacobson picked as a 7
                                Blackadder at 6
                                who would you pick at 6

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                                @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

                                Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

                                @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

                                I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

                                He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

                                Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

                                Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

                                Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

                                you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

                                Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.

                                the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
                                jacobson picked as a 7
                                Blackadder at 6
                                who would you pick at 6

                                Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.

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                                • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                  @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

                                  Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

                                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

                                  I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

                                  He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

                                  Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

                                  Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

                                  Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

                                  you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

                                  Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.

                                  the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
                                  jacobson picked as a 7
                                  Blackadder at 6
                                  who would you pick at 6

                                  Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.

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                                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

                                  Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

                                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

                                  I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

                                  He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

                                  Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

                                  Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

                                  Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

                                  you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

                                  Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.

                                  the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
                                  jacobson picked as a 7
                                  Blackadder at 6
                                  who would you pick at 6

                                  Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.

                                  wait a minute you know agree with the loose forward selections

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                                    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    who would you pick at 6

                                    The guy who.dominated on Saturday

                                    don't believe he is available

                                    and why isn't he available?

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                                    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    who would you pick at 6

                                    The guy who.dominated on Saturday

                                    don't believe he is available

                                    and why isn't he available?

                                    Because he's decided to go overseas...?

                                    You think Robertson told him so early in the season that he wasn't going to be in his All Blacks plans that he had enough time to arrange a contract in Japan?

                                    Of course not, Ioane's heading overseas just like many other players have in the past. It's no different to Jackson Hemopo and others going overseas despite having more in the tank. He (quite understandably) wants the money, given there were no guarantees of (or potentially in spite of) national selection.

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                                      Can anyone link to Holland's or other coach's comments about why they picked or didn't pick certain players?

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                                        @nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        who would you pick at 6

                                        The guy who.dominated on Saturday

                                        don't believe he is available

                                        and why isn't he available?

                                        Because he's decided to go overseas...?

                                        You think Robertson told him so early in the season that he wasn't going to be in his All Blacks plans that he had enough time to arrange a contract in Japan?

                                        Of course not, Ioane's heading overseas just like many other players have in the past. It's no different to Jackson Hemopo and others going overseas despite having more in the tank. He (quite understandably) wants the money, given there were no guarantees of (or potentially in spite of) national selection.

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                                        @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        You think Robertson told him so early in the season that he wasn't going to be in his All Blacks plans that he had enough time to arrange a contract in Japan?

                                        100% I believe that happened.

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                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

                                          Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

                                          I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

                                          He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

                                          Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

                                          Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

                                          Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

                                          you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

                                          Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.

                                          the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
                                          jacobson picked as a 7
                                          Blackadder at 6
                                          who would you pick at 6

                                          Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.

                                          wait a minute you know agree with the loose forward selections

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                                          @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.

                                          Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'

                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...

                                          I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much

                                          He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.

                                          Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...

                                          Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?

                                          Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.

                                          you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s

                                          Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.

                                          the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
                                          jacobson picked as a 7
                                          Blackadder at 6
                                          who would you pick at 6

                                          Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.

                                          wait a minute you know agree with the loose forward selections

                                          What? You asked me who I would select at 6 didn't you? I said 'based on the selections' I would go with Finau but also said Ioane should have been in the picture. Did you read my comment or just skim over it? What is everyone on tonight? Seriously.

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