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All Blacks 2024

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  • DuluthD Duluth

    @MajorRage said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    I don't have a view either way on Sotutu vs Sititi but thats mainly because my SR watching this year was the 5 minutes highlights in youtube. Sure, Sotutu scored a lot of tries, but I don't really remember seeing him make a lot of them

    The top try scorer was also second on try assists. On the other side of the ball he got plenty of turnovers too, looking at NZ loosies he was only behind Harmon (equal with Jacobson). Ruck arrivals he is only behind Papali'i and Jacobson in NZ. Decent lineout forward too.. second most used NZ target

    He had a hell of a season

    I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

    As for the rest of the squad it's fairly predictable apart from Tosi. You knew which way Robertson would go on certain players regardless of SR performances

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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @MajorRage said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    I don't have a view either way on Sotutu vs Sititi but thats mainly because my SR watching this year was the 5 minutes highlights in youtube. Sure, Sotutu scored a lot of tries, but I don't really remember seeing him make a lot of them

    The top try scorer was also second on try assists. On the other side of the ball he got plenty of turnovers too, looking at NZ loosies he was only behind Harmon (equal with Jacobson). Ruck arrivals he is only behind Papali'i and Jacobson in NZ. Decent lineout forward too.. second most used NZ target

    He had a hell of a season

    I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

    As for the rest of the squad it's fairly predictable apart from Tosi. You knew which way Robertson would go on certain players regardless of SR performances

    That shows their excuse for non selection is bogus. Not a great start

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    • canefanC canefan

      @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

      Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

      except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

      May get better. Sotutu doesn't exactly have a foot in the grave. As Duluth said, the stats don't lie, he was one of the top loosies in SR. It's personal

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      @canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

      Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

      except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

      May get better. Sotutu doesn't exactly have a foot in the grave. As Duluth said, the stats don't lie, he was one of the top loosies in SR. It's personal

      he has a poor attitude judging by his social media and refused to answer Jason Ryan's phone calls last year, it's time to move on, he's overrated and always has been.

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        @canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

        Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

        except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

        May get better. Sotutu doesn't exactly have a foot in the grave. As Duluth said, the stats don't lie, he was one of the top loosies in SR. It's personal

        he has a poor attitude judging by his social media and refused to answer Jason Ryan's phone calls last year, it's time to move on, he's overrated and always has been.

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        @ruggabee Be interesting to hear Vern Cotter's take on Hoskin's attitude.

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          All relationships are personal. Get over it.

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            The loosies that were work horses this year were Dalton, Sotutu, Jacobson.

            I've never been a fan of Jacobson but he lifted his game this year. Very surprised there's room for him and Blackadder in the squad though.

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              Would be interesting who they see as the next 6 from outside the squad (not including Akira or Frizell)

              Flanders? Grace? Haig? Lio-Willie as a 6?

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              • R ruggabee

                @canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

                Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

                except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

                May get better. Sotutu doesn't exactly have a foot in the grave. As Duluth said, the stats don't lie, he was one of the top loosies in SR. It's personal

                he has a poor attitude judging by his social media and refused to answer Jason Ryan's phone calls last year, it's time to move on, he's overrated and always has been.

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                #4139

                @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                he has a poor attitude judging by his social media

                Edited (cheers voodoo)

                Can you show the social media posts showing he has a poor attitude?

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                • FrankF Frank

                  @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  he has a poor attitude judging by his social media

                  Edited (cheers voodoo)

                  Can you show the social media posts showing he has a poor attitude?

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                  @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  he has a poor attitude judging by his social media

                  Where have you got that from?

                  Just guessing, but I’d say his social media?

                  🤷🏻‍♂️

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                    #4141

                    Wallace-Sititi looks a far better prospect than Sotutu at test level and he's only 21.

                    It's clear from the eye test Sititi is going to be a test animal. Sotutu is a show-pony.

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                    • R ruggabee

                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

                      Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

                      except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

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                      @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

                      Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

                      except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

                      Hoss was born in 98?

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                      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                        Would be interesting who they see as the next 6 from outside the squad (not including Akira or Frizell)

                        Flanders? Grace? Haig? Lio-Willie as a 6?

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                        @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        Would be interesting who they see as the next 6 from outside the squad (not including Akira or Frizell)

                        Flanders? Grace? Haig? Lio-Willie as a 6?

                        Suafoa has the physique.

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                        • DuluthD Duluth

                          The loosies that were work horses this year were Dalton, Sotutu, Jacobson.

                          I've never been a fan of Jacobson but he lifted his game this year. Very surprised there's room for him and Blackadder in the squad though.

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                          @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          The loosies that were work horses this year were Dalton, Sotutu, Jacobson.

                          I've never been a fan of Jacobson but he lifted his game this year. Very surprised there's room for him and Blackadder in the squad though.

                          Luke at 7 and Ethan at 6?

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                          • R ruggabee

                            @canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

                            Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

                            except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

                            May get better. Sotutu doesn't exactly have a foot in the grave. As Duluth said, the stats don't lie, he was one of the top loosies in SR. It's personal

                            he has a poor attitude judging by his social media and refused to answer Jason Ryan's phone calls last year, it's time to move on, he's overrated and always has been.

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                            @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            @canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

                            Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

                            except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

                            May get better. Sotutu doesn't exactly have a foot in the grave. As Duluth said, the stats don't lie, he was one of the top loosies in SR. It's personal

                            he has a poor attitude judging by his social media and refused to answer Jason Ryan's phone calls last year, it's time to move on, he's overrated and always has been.

                            I think you may want to read this post again https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/955354

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                            • DuluthD Duluth

                              @MajorRage said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              I don't have a view either way on Sotutu vs Sititi but thats mainly because my SR watching this year was the 5 minutes highlights in youtube. Sure, Sotutu scored a lot of tries, but I don't really remember seeing him make a lot of them

                              The top try scorer was also second on try assists. On the other side of the ball he got plenty of turnovers too, looking at NZ loosies he was only behind Harmon (equal with Jacobson). Ruck arrivals he is only behind Papali'i and Jacobson in NZ. Decent lineout forward too.. second most used NZ target

                              He had a hell of a season

                              I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

                              As for the rest of the squad it's fairly predictable apart from Tosi. You knew which way Robertson would go on certain players regardless of SR performances

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                              @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

                              Why did MacDonald struggle with him?

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                                @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

                                Why did MacDonald struggle with him?

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                                #4147

                                @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

                                Why did MacDonald struggle with him?

                                From memory he thought he had an attitude issue early on. MacDonald confronted him about it then realised he's just quiet during trainings/meetings but he did put in the work. This was in the media a couple of years back.

                                Different personalities etc. He'd never be a captain obviously

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                                  Players like Akira and Hoskins obviously have the talent, and good coaches will get the best out of them. Cotter got them playing to their potential consistently this year, it's obvious the current AB coaches don't believe they can do the same hence them picking their favourites instead of the form players.

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                                  • DuluthD Duluth

                                    @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

                                    Why did MacDonald struggle with him?

                                    From memory he thought he had an attitude issue early on. MacDonald confronted him about it then realised he's just quiet during trainings/meetings but he did put in the work. This was in the media a couple of years back.

                                    Different personalities etc. He'd never be a captain obviously

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                                    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

                                    Why did MacDonald struggle with him?

                                    From memory he thought he had an attitude issue early on. MacDonald confronted him about it then realised he's just quiet during trainings/meetings but he did put in the work. This was in the media a couple of years back.

                                    Different personalities etc. He'd never be a captain obviously

                                    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hoskins-sotutus-small-change-thats-paved-the-way-for-a-future-with-the-all-blacks/

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                                    • R ruggabee

                                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

                                      Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

                                      except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

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                                      @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

                                      Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

                                      except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

                                      While that's nice to know Sotutu has aged 2 years since this morning, that's a completely different topic.

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                                      • Mr FishM Mr Fish

                                        @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

                                        Why did MacDonald struggle with him?

                                        From memory he thought he had an attitude issue early on. MacDonald confronted him about it then realised he's just quiet during trainings/meetings but he did put in the work. This was in the media a couple of years back.

                                        Different personalities etc. He'd never be a captain obviously

                                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hoskins-sotutus-small-change-thats-paved-the-way-for-a-future-with-the-all-blacks/

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                                        @Mr-Fish

                                        Thanks, you found that quickly

                                        I think there was another similar article from MacDonalds perspective

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                                          He could earn far more playing for a French club and could still represent Fiji in a years time - as his last test was Nov 2022, we are flush with loose forwards, it's probably the position we'd be least concerned about, we don't exactly need him do we?

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