All Blacks 2024

pakman

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Would be interesting who they see as the next 6 from outside the squad (not including Akira or Frizell)

Flanders? Grace? Haig? Lio-Willie as a 6?

Suafoa has the physique.

pakman

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

The loosies that were work horses this year were Dalton, Sotutu, Jacobson.

I've never been a fan of Jacobson but he lifted his game this year. Very surprised there's room for him and Blackadder in the squad though.

Luke at 7 and Ethan at 6?

antipodean

@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

May get better. Sotutu doesn't exactly have a foot in the grave. As Duluth said, the stats don't lie, he was one of the top loosies in SR. It's personal

he has a poor attitude judging by his social media and refused to answer Jason Ryan's phone calls last year, it's time to move on, he's overrated and always has been.

I think you may want to read this post again https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/955354

Frank

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

Why did MacDonald struggle with him?

Duluth

@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

Why did MacDonald struggle with him?

From memory he thought he had an attitude issue early on. MacDonald confronted him about it then realised he's just quiet during trainings/meetings but he did put in the work. This was in the media a couple of years back.

Different personalities etc. He'd never be a captain obviously

No Quarter

Players like Akira and Hoskins obviously have the talent, and good coaches will get the best out of them. Cotter got them playing to their potential consistently this year, it's obvious the current AB coaches don't believe they can do the same hence them picking their favourites instead of the form players.

Mr Fish

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

Why did MacDonald struggle with him?

From memory he thought he had an attitude issue early on. MacDonald confronted him about it then realised he's just quiet during trainings/meetings but he did put in the work. This was in the media a couple of years back.

Different personalities etc. He'd never be a captain obviously

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hoskins-sotutus-small-change-thats-paved-the-way-for-a-future-with-the-all-blacks/

Bones

@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

These coaches know who is mentally consistent and focused over a whole season or more. They aren't all that interested in a highlights reel.

Yeah true, Bell and Sititi have definitely shown that across their storied careers.

except they are younger (22, 21) and will get much better, Sotutu is nearly 27.

While that's nice to know Sotutu has aged 2 years since this morning, that's a completely different topic.

Duluth

@Mr-Fish

Thanks, you found that quickly

I think there was another similar article from MacDonalds perspective

ruggabee

He could earn far more playing for a French club and could still represent Fiji in a years time - as his last test was Nov 2022, we are flush with loose forwards, it's probably the position we'd be least concerned about, we don't exactly need him do we?

Winger

@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

All I can really say is Razor wanted to be known as the coach who picked the best players...

Hold my bud light say Bell, Perofeta, Blackadder, Jacobsen and Tosi (who was on no-one's rader but the AB selectors it appears).

Feel sory for Sotutu, Plumber, Laki and Love - all of them deserve to be there.

Very odd we've only got 3 players covering 1st 5 and fullback.

Tosi has played very well all year. Includingwhen Lomax was injured. But I thought as he didn't play for the Crusaders he would be completely overlooked.

Plummer is unlucky but will always be a steady but limited 1st. But would pick him anyday as 1st before Barrett. Or Cameron

Lakai and Loves time will come even not playing for Robertsons team

gt12

I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.

Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.

And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.

Winger

@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

All the contentious selections went with provincial bias of the selectors.

Ryan with Bell.
Razor with blackadder. Jacobsen is also a bad call and I'm a Chiefs fan.
McDonald with Perofeta.

In appearing to be fair they seemed to have made it worse.

Agree.

Also, the captain. Robertson seems to be unable to work with anyone but his mates. I could understand if he had a team of coaches he hardly knew but not the case

They had a chance to make a statement and they blew it. Team has better win otherwise they will be rubbished

Bell especially seems like a joke selection. But I've only watched him closely once for part of a game and then wrote him off. Now he's an AB??

canefan

@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.

Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.

And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.

If he continues, Cotter is building his resume

ruggabee

@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

he has a poor attitude judging by his social media

Edited (cheers voodoo)

Can you show the social media posts showing he has a poor attitude?

look at the caption of his post.

MajorStokes

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@MajorRage said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I don't have a view either way on Sotutu vs Sititi but thats mainly because my SR watching this year was the 5 minutes highlights in youtube. Sure, Sotutu scored a lot of tries, but I don't really remember seeing him make a lot of them

The top try scorer was also second on try assists. On the other side of the ball he got plenty of turnovers too, looking at NZ loosies he was only behind Harmon (equal with Jacobson). Ruck arrivals he is only behind Papali'i and Jacobson in NZ. Decent lineout forward too.. second most used NZ target

He had a hell of a season

I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.

As for the rest of the squad it's fairly predictable apart from Tosi. You knew which way Robertson would go on certain players regardless of SR performances

Looks fairly obvious that it's personal then.

Part of a successful career is managing upwards. If they don't want to select him, then it's up to him to change that.

If his IG post is a direct dig at them (thats an if, btw) then the attitude suggests at this point mgmt are correct in their decision making.

ruggabee

Just going off the GF game, Hoskins work around the beakdown & the tight stuff was not great for an AB's loosie. Wallace on the hand even though he was on losing end, the kid was hitting the breakdowns and making solid contact with and without the ball.

gt12

@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.

Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.

And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.

If he continues, Cotter is building his resume

This team naming is a rejection of what is happening at the Blues. That seems clear and raises some interesting questions, because that carry clean game of the Blues would likely give the Saders with Mo’unga a touch up.

They don’t seem to rate it though.

I’m fascinated to see the game plan they’ll employ..

I do like the big ball carrying props (except Newell) and we have impact at hooker. If Pat T is fit and brings his carrying to this level they will hopefully make up for the lack of size and heavy carrying in the loosies.

mariner4life

It will take 1 test.

If this team loses the first test to England the drums will beat.
You pick 3 opensides and some weirdo outsides and we lose?
War drums

There is no "warming in to the season"

Tim

@mariner4life If he loses at Eden Park then it's all on.

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