All Blacks 2024
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To be fair to Razor this is his first match and has erred on the side of caution.
I would have gone Ratima-DMac, Love 15.
Sotutu very unlucky that Savea happens to play 8.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
To be fair to Razor this is his first match and has erred on the side of caution.
Looking back for a second
I recall a previous coach getting heat for being conservative in his first selections.As at that time I expect the most conservative selection is picking the team most likely to win.
It's a pretty good squad nonetheless.
Questions for me are:
- Bell over Rikkirik
- Sititi v Sotutu
- lotsa wingers and no fullbacks
Struggling to get angry over too much though.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Form is important, and less permanent, than Class apparently.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I like the Tosi pick - he's a weapon
No ability to say I had him as a bolter because I didn't say it anywhere, but really like his selection.
Who is the next TH? Ofa? So Ofa covers LH, so effectively Tosi beats out XN?
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Who is the next TH? Ofa? So Ofa covers LH, so effectively Tosi beats out XN?
I don't think Ryan sees Ofa as a TH now, so it might have been between him and Numia for the last LH position. Ofa's stocks would have risen if only 5 props were selected.
I won't be surprised if Ofa isn't in the 23 for the 1st test based on Ryan's choices at the RWC.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
You think Robertson told him so early in the season that he wasn't going to be in his All Blacks plans that he had enough time to arrange a contract in Japan?
I think he got the word towards the end of the season. Watch his leaving interview - he gives the strong impression of someone who doesn't want to go - but is making the rational financial choice.
Look, fair play, Razor and his boys get to choose their team. But they need to take accountability for that. I'd say Sotutu's off - you don't post that and hang about. he can't do more than this season, so if this isn't enough that'll be him done. It's a real shame.
Razor better win, and win well, and show us that his picks are solid. I would love to see them deveop players in camp (remember how flaky Coles was). But let's see. At the moment it looks a very red and black perspective on the world. Havili? Really?
If he didn't want to go, he wouldn't have gone.
I don't think anyone on here is such a strong body language and emotion expert that they can infer from his pre-recorded post that he's been tipped off late in the season that he isn't going to feature in the All Blacks and that he should sign a last-minute contract in Japan. Normally these contracts are signed almost a year in advance - he likely inked the deal in February or March.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
You think Robertson told him so early in the season that he wasn't going to be in his All Blacks plans that he had enough time to arrange a contract in Japan?
I think he got the word towards the end of the season. Watch his leaving interview - he gives the strong impression of someone who doesn't want to go - but is making the rational financial choice.
Look, fair play, Razor and his boys get to choose their team. But they need to take accountability for that. I'd say Sotutu's off - you don't post that and hang about. he can't do more than this season, so if this isn't enough that'll be him done. It's a real shame.
Razor better win, and win well, and show us that his picks are solid. I would love to see them deveop players in camp (remember how flaky Coles was). But let's see. At the moment it looks a very red and black perspective on the world. Havili? Really?
If he didn't want to go, he wouldn't have gone.
I don't think anyone on here is such a strong body language and emotion expert that they can infer from his pre-recorded post that he's been tipped off late in the season that he isn't going to feature in the All Blacks and that he should sign a last-minute contract in Japan. Normally these contracts are signed almost a year in advance - he likely inked the deal in February or March.
Did you watch the retirement piece? He had a year left on his contract - another real indication he got the word.
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The biggest concern of the squad is the fact that only three specialist locks were selected, and the two likely starters have had recent/current injuries. Darry might get a cap sooner rather than later.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
The biggest concern of the squad is the fact that only three specialist locks were selected, and the two likely starters have had recent/current injuries. Darry might get a cap sooner rather than later.
Also worth pointing out that Vai’i is a power lock with little power
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A journo looks at the stats and attempts to figure out the Sotutu omission
EDIT: and ignore the click bait headline (headline editors are fluffybunnies) it is a bit more thoughtful than SOTUTU SHIT AT THIS ZOMFG
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Oh gee here's Dan telling us he agrees with the selectors and everything is awesome
They wrote the Lego movie about you Dan
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Oh gee here's Dan telling us he agrees with the selectors and everything is awesome
They wrote the Lego movie about you Dan
Sorry did I miss the bit where it's compulsary to know more than the selectors. Big deal I like the team they picked and I say so. Some like to say how clever they are and they know more, hell I know my limitations.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
I think in your comment on half the Fern wouldn't pick Christie may some uo why all us Ferners are just internet experts and not actually picking and coaching teams of any real meaning. I doubt whether many of us even know what plan the ABs will have , and so why these players have been selected.
I'm a rugby savant so I'll tell you what the plan is: Station Finau wide so he can't put a shoulder on close to rucks and terrify five-eighths running too close to the line making Papali'i tire himself out doing three loose forwards' work on defence. Be one injury away from a hooker that can't throw. Throw slow, loopy passes from rucks once the opposition have got back onside and fanned out. Be an injury away from asking an ageing fullback to take over at 10 and bringing on a defensively frail fullback who offers no counter attacking threat of note.
There's nuances of course, but that's the underlying strategy.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
I think in your comment on half the Fern wouldn't pick Christie may some uo why all us Ferners are just internet experts and not actually picking and coaching teams of any real meaning. I doubt whether many of us even know what plan the ABs will have , and so why these players have been selected.
I'm a rugby savant so I'll tell you what the plan is: Station Finau wide so he can't put a shoulder on close to rucks and terrify five-eighths running too close to the line making Papali'i tire himself out doing three loose forwards' work on defence. Be one injury away from a hooker that can't throw. Throw slow, loopy passes from rucks once the opposition have got back onside and fanned out. Be an injury away from asking an ageing fullback to take over at 10 and bringing on a defensively frail fullback who offers no counter attacking threat of note.
There's nuances of course, but that's the underlying strategy.
I agree I am somewhat surprised about Bell being there, but they obviously confident enough to think they can sort out his throwing.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
I think in your comment on half the Fern wouldn't pick Christie may some uo why all us Ferners are just internet experts and not actually picking and coaching teams of any real meaning. I doubt whether many of us even know what plan the ABs will have , and so why these players have been selected.
I'm a rugby savant so I'll tell you what the plan is: Station Finau wide so he can't put a shoulder on close to rucks and terrify five-eighths running too close to the line making Papali'i tire himself out doing three loose forwards' work on defence. Be one injury away from a hooker that can't throw. Throw slow, loopy passes from rucks once the opposition have got back onside and fanned out. Be an injury away from asking an ageing fullback to take over at 10 and bringing on a defensively frail fullback who offers no counter attacking threat of note.
There's nuances of course, but that's the underlying strategy.
I agree I am somewhat surprised about Bell being there, but they obviously confident enough to think they can sort out his throwing.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So just to be clear: The team that couldn't make a finals series of top eight in a 12 team competition has more All Blacks than the team that won?
They won how many in a row?
All the crusaders haven't turned to poo because their coach has.
(Not supporting the Bell pick though)
So form means nothing. Got it.
Only if last year you wanted the ABs to be largely Crusaders, by your same logic.
A couple of Blues had very ordinary form in super last year but were still picked. Now it's the crusaders turn.
Nepo Laulala
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
Dalton Papali’i
Finlay Christie
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Caleb Clarke
Mark TeleaWhich of those had a legitimately better player miss out? Keep in mind I think Laulala offered zero outside of his scrummaging, but if you wanted a rock in that regard I could see why he was picked.
I would not have ever picked Finlay Christie for the RWC. Nor would half the Fern
Caleb Clarke could consider himself lucky last year, and I thought there were better at the time. He was running powerfully, but his defence remains awful.
I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett either, then or now. If are talking about people getting in because of their history, then he's top of the list -- more so than any of the veteran Crusaders.
People are getting worked up about Bell, but if the choice is the small and 29 year old Riccitelli, then really? Is RR the future?
The only bad home pick, in my opinion, is Blackadder, who I don't rate and is always broken anyway.
I think in your comment on half the Fern wouldn't pick Christie may some uo why all us Ferners are just internet experts and not actually picking and coaching teams of any real meaning. I doubt whether many of us even know what plan the ABs will have , and so why these players have been selected.
I'm a rugby savant so I'll tell you what the plan is: Station Finau wide so he can't put a shoulder on close to rucks and terrify five-eighths running too close to the line making Papali'i tire himself out doing three loose forwards' work on defence. Be one injury away from a hooker that can't throw. Throw slow, loopy passes from rucks once the opposition have got back onside and fanned out. Be an injury away from asking an ageing fullback to take over at 10 and bringing on a defensively frail fullback who offers no counter attacking threat of note.
There's nuances of course, but that's the underlying strategy.
I agree I am somewhat surprised about Bell being there, but they obviously confident enough to think they can sort out his throwing.
If Taukei'Aho was fit he's not there, so Bell as 4th string hooker vs an ageing Ricci is not a massive controversy
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Was this mentioned yesterday?
In addition to the aforementioned names, impressive Hurricanes loose forward Peter Lakai will train with the squad as an “emerging player”.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Was this mentioned yesterday?
In addition to the aforementioned names, impressive Hurricanes loose forward Peter Lakai will train with the squad as an “emerging player”.
Yup. Probably the right place for him right now. He has plenty of time
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A journo looks at the stats and attempts to figure out the Sotutu omission
EDIT: and ignore the click bait headline (headline editors are fluffybunnies) it is a bit more thoughtful than SOTUTU SHIT AT THIS ZOMFG
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
A journo looks at the stats and attempts to figure out the Sotutu omission
EDIT: and ignore the click bait headline (headline editors are fluffybunnies) it is a bit more thoughtful than SOTUTU SHIT AT THIS ZOMFG
That is a great bit of analysis and starts to make sense.
Has no place on TSF.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
A journo looks at the stats and attempts to figure out the Sotutu omission
EDIT: and ignore the click bait headline (headline editors are fluffybunnies) it is a bit more thoughtful than SOTUTU SHIT AT THIS ZOMFG
That is a great bit of analysis and starts to make sense.
Has no place on TSF.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
A journo looks at the stats and attempts to figure out the Sotutu omission
EDIT: and ignore the click bait headline (headline editors are fluffybunnies) it is a bit more thoughtful than SOTUTU SHIT AT THIS ZOMFG
That is a great bit of analysis and starts to make sense.
Has no place on TSF.
I am deeply chagrined
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
I'm hopeful but more cautious given the lack of test experience in the coaching group
Hansen coached Canada's attack for a year (2014) and Japan's defense for 3 years (2019-22)
Razor coached Brazil as part of Canterbury rugby's partnership back in 2013.
Ryan spent two years coaching Fiji's forwards, joined All Blacks 2022.
McDonald coached the All Black's XV for 2 years.
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
I'm hopeful but more cautious given the lack of test experience in the coaching group
Hansen coached Canada's attack for a year (2014) and Japan's defense for 3 years (2019-22)
Razor coached Brazil as part of Canterbury rugby's partnership back in 2013.
Ryan spent two years coaching Fiji's forwards, joined All Blacks 2022.
McDonald coached the All Black's XV for 2 years.
As I said - a lack of test experience. Tier one test experience only comes from Jase Ryan and Hansen's 3 years at Japan.
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I would have found a spot for Lakai, Sotutu, Plummer and Love
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I would have found a spot for Lakai, Sotutu, Plummer and Love
Who for?
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I would have found a spot for Lakai, Sotutu, Plummer and Love
Who for?
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I would have found a spot for Lakai, Sotutu, Plummer and Love
Who for?
I would have aswell! Perofeta,blackadder,beauden Barrett and Jacobson I would have left out
