All Blacks 2024
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
Or it was regarded as one of his work-ons and he hasn't improved it.
I'd say they are concerned about a lack of defensive abrasiveness / workrate.
Truth is, none of us know.
The implications being thrown around by some are spitting are deadset pathetic - Razor's a racist, Razor can't think separately from Ryan, Razor can't coach (7 Super titles lol)
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
Or it was regarded as one of his work-ons and he hasn't improved it.
I'd say they are concerned about a lack of defensive abrasiveness / workrate.
Truth is, none of us know.
The implications being thrown around by some are spitting are deadset pathetic - Razor's a racist, Razor can't think separately from Ryan, Razor can't coach (7 Super titles lol)
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
Or it was regarded as one of his work-ons and he hasn't improved it.
I'd say they are concerned about a lack of defensive abrasiveness / workrate.
Truth is, none of us know.
The implications being thrown around by some are spitting are deadset pathetic - Razor's a racist, Razor can't think separately from Ryan, Razor can't coach (7 Super titles lol)
Based on his body of work, what his players from the teams he coaches say about him, the sky doco on telly at the moment, Razor seems like a simple straight up guy. He only has a limited number of places to fill and he's picked who he thinks can do the job. We will see how that turns out, it will be interesting to see how the year has gone looking back after the EOYT in terms of playing style, if he has altered his player group, and of course if he's won games and played well
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
Or it was regarded as one of his work-ons and he hasn't improved it.
I'd say they are concerned about a lack of defensive abrasiveness / workrate.
Truth is, none of us know.
The implications being thrown around by some are spitting are deadset pathetic - Razor's a racist, Razor can't think separately from Ryan, Razor can't coach (7 Super titles lol)
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
Or it was regarded as one of his work-ons and he hasn't improved it.
I'd say they are concerned about a lack of defensive abrasiveness / workrate.
Anyone have comparative stats for "dominant tackles", or tackles that slow the ruck ball for the attackers? Questioning his work rate is laughable when looking at the stats - he's actively involved in both aspects of the game.
Truth is, none of us know.
No shit Frank, hence the conjecture.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
Or it was regarded as one of his work-ons and he hasn't improved it.
I'd say they are concerned about a lack of defensive abrasiveness / workrate.
Anyone have comparative stats for "dominant tackles", or tackles that slow the ruck ball for the attackers? Questioning his work rate is laughable when looking at the stats - he's actively involved in both aspects of the game.
Truth is, none of us know.
No shit Frank, hence the conjecture.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
I highly doubt they think they can't coach.
It's the logical conclusion from the premise they're selecting players who played a certain way that they can't get players to adjust.
Logic to me is that no one gets to the top of their chosen field if they don't think they can do the job.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Logic to me is that no one gets to the top of their chosen field if they don't think they can do the job.
Can we swap managers? Or are you referrring to the Dunning-Kruger effect?
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
With Blues having 70% possession on occasion, straight tackles/match comparisons are bound to be misleading.
That's what I thought too.
2 cents rugby said the Chiefs made only 2% more tackles than the Blues over the season.@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
With Blues having 70% possession on occasion, straight tackles/match comparisons are bound to be misleading.
That's what I thought too.
2 cents rugby said the Chiefs made only 2% more tackles than the Blues over the season.On the per 80mins stats it was 9% less. Blues defence numbers were unusual. The top 4 teams on the per 80mins tackles were the 4 other NZ sides.. Blues down in 8th
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@antipodean
They don't like something.
That's for sure.
I'm going to go full Dan here and say I trust their judgement because it is now two head coaches who have rejected him.@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean
They don't like something.
That's for sure.
I'm going to go full Dan here and say I trust their judgement because it is now two head coaches who have rejected him.The only disagreement I have with that is that both HCs are now in the same ABs coaching group. And yet Vern Cotter got the best out of Sotutu and Ioane, something Leon never could. (Which could be the pattern he played, or some relationship issue, or a rugby issue)
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As I remember Sotutu played most games for the blues.
Siti didn’t start until Rd7 and only had two 20 min cameos of the bench before RD7 so stats are a bit false in a lot of ways.@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As I remember Sotutu played most games for the blues.
Siti didn’t start until Rd7 and only had two 20 min cameos of the bench before RD7 so stats are a bit false in a lot of ways.Yes per 80mins stats are normally useful but not in this situation
Sotutu played 80mins 12 times
Iose 4 times
Sititi onceAverage mins
Sotutu - 70mins
Iose - 56 (might be slighhtly off.. missing one game in the numbers)
Sititi - 47minsYou can't meaningfully compare per 80mins stats between someone who was actually playing 80mins and guys who were subs or left the field early. They don't have to deal with fatigue
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
It seems that Sotutu only being able to play no.8 has also counted against him. With Savea certain to start in that position versatility was important to the AB coaches.
i hope this isn't a huge facture.....very simply...Savea picks up a niggle and we dont have arguably the best 8 in the country available....see how quickly that approach falls over?
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
It seems that Sotutu only being able to play no.8 has also counted against him. With Savea certain to start in that position versatility was important to the AB coaches.
i hope this isn't a huge facture.....very simply...Savea picks up a niggle and we dont have arguably the best 8 in the country available....see how quickly that approach falls over?
I'm not saying that I agree with their selection choices, only that I think that was part of their reasoning for doing it. It also appears that Sititi's performance in the SF against the Canes cemented their decision. So much for picking the squad before the playoffs.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
With Blues having 70% possession on occasion, straight tackles/match comparisons are bound to be misleading.
That's what I thought too.
2 cents rugby said the Chiefs made only 2% more tackles than the Blues over the season.On the per 80mins stats it was 9% less. Blues defence numbers were unusual. The top 4 teams on the per 80mins tackles were the 4 other NZ sides.. Blues down in 8th
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
With Blues having 70% possession on occasion, straight tackles/match comparisons are bound to be misleading.
That's what I thought too.
2 cents rugby said the Chiefs made only 2% more tackles than the Blues over the season.On the per 80mins stats it was 9% less. Blues defence numbers were unusual. The top 4 teams on the per 80mins tackles were the 4 other NZ sides.. Blues down in 8th
Your tackle count is lower when you never give up the ball...
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
With Blues having 70% possession on occasion, straight tackles/match comparisons are bound to be misleading.
That's what I thought too.
2 cents rugby said the Chiefs made only 2% more tackles than the Blues over the season.On the per 80mins stats it was 9% less. Blues defence numbers were unusual. The top 4 teams on the per 80mins tackles were the 4 other NZ sides.. Blues down in 8th
Your tackle count is lower when you never give up the ball...
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
With Blues having 70% possession on occasion, straight tackles/match comparisons are bound to be misleading.
That's what I thought too.
2 cents rugby said the Chiefs made only 2% more tackles than the Blues over the season.On the per 80mins stats it was 9% less. Blues defence numbers were unusual. The top 4 teams on the per 80mins tackles were the 4 other NZ sides.. Blues down in 8th
Your tackle count is lower when you never give up the ball...
Exactly here's the tackles stats from the final. The Chiefs were all unsuaully high. The Blues unusually low. But that's because the Blues pack anally raped them
This game also represents 10% of Sititi's season. Another reason per 80 stats aren't useful in this situation
If you turn these into per 80mins stats
Sotutu 5
Sititi ~27That's not an indication of more effort on defence. That is an indication of how the game went
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Did Savea actually want the job. Maybe he told Razor he didn’t want the pressure and so he went with Scooter.
Sotutu showing his true colours with his instagram post. Suck up your non selection and be better. You obviously didn’t listen to the work ons Razor gave you. He challenged you and now you’ve cried over your non selection. You’ve shown him he was right for not selecting you. Mentally weak@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Sotutu showing his true colours with his instagram post. Suck up your non selection and be better. You obviously didn’t listen to the work ons Razor gave you. He challenged you and now you’ve cried over your non selection. You’ve shown him he was right for not selecting you. Mentally weak
Ryan was on the radio this morning saying that the deciding factor was the semi-final where Sititi "put on a clinic" against the Hurricanes.
It's interesting that he uses a match Sotutu wasn't playing in to be the deciding factor but ignores the matches where Sotutu and his pack buried Sititi and his mates in the Eden Park turf. Twice. Including the final.
In fact, Ryan must be relieved he was able to find his wonder boy to tell him the good news because he didn't turn up to Eden Park on Saturday.
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I wonder whether we are looking at a 6-2 bench if Sititi is to see any time.
I think the plan will be to bring out a fresh lock, fresh 6, and fresh big running 8 (Ardie moving to 7) so we can get ball running later in the game.
If we stay with 5-2, A fresh lock (Pat T), Barrett to 6, 7 to replace Paps.
Here is the key question for me - where do they see Blackadder? His selection alongside Jacobson makes no sense. Both are better as 7s at the international level so with Paps there these selections really lead us to think the inbalance isn’t going to be addressed.
The selection of Tosi makes sense, we can see him and Williams is being set up as the ball running props - who either come on together or switch as needed (so this could break up the EDG / Lomax starting prop rotation if they go that way, EDG most under-threat there).
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I wonder whether we are looking at a 6-2 bench if Sititi is to see any time.
I think the plan will be to bring out a fresh lock, fresh 6, and fresh big running 8 (Ardie moving to 7) so we can get ball running later in the game.
If we stay with 5-2, A fresh lock (Pat T), Barrett to 6, 7 to replace Paps.
Here is the key question for me - where do they see Blackadder? His selection alongside Jacobson makes no sense. Both are better as 7s at the international level so with Paps there these selections really lead us to think the inbalance isn’t going to be addressed.
The selection of Tosi makes sense, we can see him and Williams is being set up as the ball running props - who either come on together or switch as needed (so this could break up the EDG / Lomax starting prop rotation if they go that way, EDG most under-threat there).
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Here is the key question for me - where do they see Blackadder? His selection alongside Jacobson makes no sense. Both are better as 7s at the international level so with Paps there these selections really lead us to think the inbalance isn’t going to be addressed.
Does't it suggest one of them is starting at 6?
A trio of 6.5, 7.5, 6.5
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Here is the key question for me - where do they see Blackadder? His selection alongside Jacobson makes no sense. Both are better as 7s at the international level so with Paps there these selections really lead us to think the inbalance isn’t going to be addressed.
Does't it suggest one of them is starting at 6?
A trio of 6.5, 7.5, 6.5
@Duluth but they'll work together seamlessly
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Here is the key question for me - where do they see Blackadder? His selection alongside Jacobson makes no sense. Both are better as 7s at the international level so with Paps there these selections really lead us to think the inbalance isn’t going to be addressed.
Does't it suggest one of them is starting at 6?
A trio of 6.5, 7.5, 6.5
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Here is the key question for me - where do they see Blackadder? His selection alongside Jacobson makes no sense. Both are better as 7s at the international level so with Paps there these selections really lead us to think the inbalance isn’t going to be addressed.
Does't it suggest one of them is starting at 6?
A trio of 6.5, 7.5, 6.5
Blurgh.
We’ll need heaps of ball running elsewhere if we line up with Blackadder, Paps, Ardie.
So, that might make a need for Pat T to start with Williams.
Edit, and fuck our line out will be in deep shit
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That's the concern isn't it - it appears on the face of it Blackadder has been selected in Akira's place, even though he's not a test 6s asshole. He's barely a test 7 given his lack of experience, though it is self evident that position best suits his skillset. The balance of the loose forwards is off because they couldn't seem to bring themselves to select Akira and Hoskins. It's only natural people want answers as to why they've done this, and they haven't provided any clear reasoning that I can see.
