All Blacks 2024
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@Chris You don't have to be a mind reader to realise that all this hinting at changes in eligibility rules is about selecting Richie. He's the only player that Razor has publicly stated that he's disappointed is leaving. The rest of the overseas guys are way past their prime or only rated by one member of the coaching team.
It's actually a bit worrying, bc Mounga is just a good international 10 not a great one like say DC. Razor has 4 years to select and develop one or two new 10s. He should just get on with that.
@Punch_up said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris You don't have to be a mind reader to realise that all this hinting at changes in eligibility rules is about selecting Richie. He's the only player that Razor has publicly stated that he's disappointed is leaving. The rest of the overseas guys are way past their prime or only rated by one member of the coaching team.
It's actually a bit worrying, bc Mounga is just a good international 10 not a great one like say DC. Razor has 4 years to select and develop one or two new 10s. He should just get on with that.
I think it could be someone else,
Another poster a little while back who has a strong connection to Razor mentioned a lock might not be done for the next WC and he is pretty on to what he posts. -
@Chris You don't have to be a mind reader to realise that all this hinting at changes in eligibility rules is about selecting Richie. He's the only player that Razor has publicly stated that he's disappointed is leaving. The rest of the overseas guys are way past their prime or only rated by one member of the coaching team.
It's actually a bit worrying, bc Mounga is just a good international 10 not a great one like say DC. Razor has 4 years to select and develop one or two new 10s. He should just get on with that.
@Punch_up said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris You don't have to be a mind reader to realise that all this hinting at changes in eligibility rules is about selecting Richie. He's the only player that Razor has publicly stated that he's disappointed is leaving. The rest of the overseas guys are way past their prime or only rated by one member of the coaching team.
It's actually a bit worrying, bc Mounga is just a good international 10 not a great one like say DC. Razor has 4 years to select and develop one or two new 10s. He should just get on with that.
The only other player that could be in the group of ‘want haves’ is Leicester, and again, if he is the savior we are well fucked.
Pick Dmac, Beauden, Perofeta, Cameron, or Burke or Ioane. A combination of three of them puts him well in contention with other international teams post a WC.
As surf Jesus coach, he has plenty of talent.
Maaaaaaybe he isn’t quite so surfy? Or so Jesusy? Or so?
And maybe he knows it now that he knows that he doesn’t automatically have the best spine in the competition.
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@Punch_up said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris You don't have to be a mind reader to realise that all this hinting at changes in eligibility rules is about selecting Richie. He's the only player that Razor has publicly stated that he's disappointed is leaving. The rest of the overseas guys are way past their prime or only rated by one member of the coaching team.
It's actually a bit worrying, bc Mounga is just a good international 10 not a great one like say DC. Razor has 4 years to select and develop one or two new 10s. He should just get on with that.
The only other player that could be in the group of ‘want haves’ is Leicester, and again, if he is the savior we are well fucked.
Pick Dmac, Beauden, Perofeta, Cameron, or Burke or Ioane. A combination of three of them puts him well in contention with other international teams post a WC.
As surf Jesus coach, he has plenty of talent.
Maaaaaaybe he isn’t quite so surfy? Or so Jesusy? Or so?
And maybe he knows it now that he knows that he doesn’t automatically have the best spine in the competition.
@gt12 Agree on most everything you wrote (maybe not the name Beauden).
I'll add another question: What if Razor was planning to unveil The Cantablacks 2.0 as his first squad, but without Richie he's going down a more balanced route? Ok, I'm just joking here.
Still, it might just be "wanting to work with players he knows" initially. Anyone know any non-crusaders in their mid-20s that Razor coached at u-19 level?
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@gt12 Agree on most everything you wrote (maybe not the name Beauden).
I'll add another question: What if Razor was planning to unveil The Cantablacks 2.0 as his first squad, but without Richie he's going down a more balanced route? Ok, I'm just joking here.
Still, it might just be "wanting to work with players he knows" initially. Anyone know any non-crusaders in their mid-20s that Razor coached at u-19 level?
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@Punch_up said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris You don't have to be a mind reader to realise that all this hinting at changes in eligibility rules is about selecting Richie. He's the only player that Razor has publicly stated that he's disappointed is leaving. The rest of the overseas guys are way past their prime or only rated by one member of the coaching team.
It's actually a bit worrying, bc Mounga is just a good international 10 not a great one like say DC. Razor has 4 years to select and develop one or two new 10s. He should just get on with that.
I think it could be someone else,
Another poster a little while back who has a strong connection to Razor mentioned a lock might not be done for the next WC and he is pretty on to what he posts. -
@Punch_up You can find the NZ U20 squads for 2015 and 2016 here:
https://nextgenxv.com/list-of-new-zealand-under-20-rugby-players/
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@Punch_up said in Crusaders 2024:
@Chris You don't have to be a mind reader to realise that all this hinting at changes in eligibility rules is about selecting Richie. He's the only player that Razor has publicly stated that he's disappointed is leaving. The rest of the overseas guys are way past their prime or only rated by one member of the coaching team.
It's actually a bit worrying, bc Mounga is just a good international 10 not a great one like say DC. Razor has 4 years to select and develop one or two new 10s. He should just get on with that.
I think it could be someone else,
Another poster a little while back who has a strong connection to Razor mentioned a lock might not be done for the next WC and he is pretty on to what he posts.Getting BBBR back to sign on with NZ rugby was the NZRU's problem.
And, honestly, is he the lock to take us to 2027?
He's not young now, so again, if we are going to break up everything for a player - is he that player looking to 2027?
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@Chris I guess that could be true. I just think they should renew their squad a bit more instead of luring older players back.
@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris I guess that could be true. I just think they should renew their squad a bit more instead of luring older players back.
Not disagreeing with you on that, I am not a fan of bringing players back in to the AB's from overseas.
Pick them from our comps is what I want to see still happening. -
Getting BBBR back to sign on with NZ rugby was the NZRU's problem.
And, honestly, is he the lock to take us to 2027?
He's not young now, so again, if we are going to break up everything for a player - is he that player looking to 2027?
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Getting BBBR back to sign on with NZ rugby was the NZRU's problem.
And, honestly, is he the lock to take us to 2027?
He's not young now, so again, if we are going to break up everything for a player - is he that player looking to 2027?
I am not a Fan of it time to move on,We should keep the status quo pick players from our competition and keep them strong.
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@Chris He didn't have to say it. All this repeated eligibility talk from Razor was about Richie.
@Punch_up can we have a side bet on this. Media bought up Richie. What about whitelock or Leicester.
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@Punch_up can we have a side bet on this. Media bought up Richie. What about whitelock or Leicester.
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I dont think it’s a great look for Robertson to be talking about picking overseas players when we haven’t even started a domestic season yet.
I know he was asked a question but ‘no comment’ would have been appropriate on this one.
You took the job based on the criteria of picking Nz based players only. Just do the job on that basis.
He will be asked this at every press conference going forward, especially if we lose some games.
I’m not sure the board are going to be thrilled with these headlines.
Apart from that, looking forward to seeing how his team shape up this year. Lot of rugby to be played before then though.
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Getting BBBR back to sign on with NZ rugby was the NZRU's problem.
And, honestly, is he the lock to take us to 2027?
He's not young now, so again, if we are going to break up everything for a player - is he that player looking to 2027?
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Getting BBBR back to sign on with NZ rugby was the NZRU's problem.
And, honestly, is he the lock to take us to 2027?
He's not young now, so again, if we are going to break up everything for a player - is he that player looking to 2027?
BB too
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@chchfanatic I can see the need for Whitelock or Retallick, but why bother with Leicester Fainga'anuku?
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@chchfanatic I can see the need for Whitelock or Retallick, but why bother with Leicester Fainga'anuku?
Sam Whitelock?
Holy fuck, so @chchfanatic Razor's plan is to turn us into Wales?
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I dont think it’s a great look for Robertson to be talking about picking overseas players when we haven’t even started a domestic season yet.
I know he was asked a question but ‘no comment’ would have been appropriate on this one.
You took the job based on the criteria of picking Nz based players only. Just do the job on that basis.
He will be asked this at every press conference going forward, especially if we lose some games.
I’m not sure the board are going to be thrilled with these headlines.
Apart from that, looking forward to seeing how his team shape up this year. Lot of rugby to be played before then though.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
He will be asked this at every press conference going forward, especially if we lose some games.
Coaching Jesus's lose games? Not going to happen......
But seriously, I'll be pissed off if he brings it up time and again, or uses it as an excuse for a loss.
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I think someone mentioned halfback. Canes might have another answer there, again if the impressive photo is anything to go by.
@Bones Are those weights on his wrists to stop his arms flapping?
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I think someone mentioned halfback. Canes might have another answer there, again if the impressive photo is anything to go by.
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@Punch_up can we have a side bet on this. Media bought up Richie. What about whitelock or Leicester.
@chchfanatic Let Sam Whitelock spend some time with his brother in France. As for Leicester, I suspect that things are about to get very crowded in the outside backs spots. So, perhaps it was a good decision for him to go.
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This feels like a pretty important 6 months for NZ rugby.
We've come off a pretty good WC campaign that fell only just short. We've lost some absolute greats of AB rugby. There's a new bloke at the helm. It's got "new dawn" written all over it. And am i right that it's England coming mid-year?
But there are question marks. We're extraordinarily shallow at the very top in most positions. The greats that have gone have left huge holes to fill. Most of the pack needs to be rebuilt. There is no established or experienced 10 options (short of reverting to a proven failure). And the finger of blame for this needs to be pointed at the Super Coaches, a couple of which are now in charge of the top team. This year really will show what our development pathways are made of. Are we still producers of talent? Can we still develop talent? There are legitimate question marks there.
Are the new coaches ready to move on from "not bad but not great" guys like BB, Taylor, and Cane or is this going to be a very soft and very slow revolution?
It could be fun. it could also be disappointing.
