All Blacks 2024
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Well not many players invest their own $$ to go and do a training camp over in Aus while most other players are on holiday in their off-season. Love literally hasn’t stopped training since the end of Super rugby last year.
A bunch of other players were playing Test rugby after Super season finished...
After the NPC, the Christmas break, whatever you want to call it. When most players are boozing it up at the likes of RNV in Gizzy, Love was over in Aussie training the house down. That’s sometimes the difference between making it and not.
He also deserves to be there over Perofeta who wouldn’t even be there if it wasn’t for McDonald’s love affair with him. Just like Christie, he’ll get pushed out eventually.
…..and also pissing round playing meaningless cricket games but don’t let that get in the way of your fluffing
https://www.tiktok.com/@legendofmartybanks/video/7326323433741028616?lang=en
Mate I think you have the brains to know what I’m talking about. But yeah if you want to be a troll go ahead.
Maybe do a bit more digging and you’ll figure it out so I don’t have to keep spelling it out for you.
It was a terrific catch but his time would have been better spent doing extra training
Forget about his Super form, did you not hear Razor say earlier they based his selection purely on that catch? I’d say Love made the right choice to participate that day.
Perofeta wouldn’t have taken that catch that’s for sure
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
Perofeta wouldn’t have taken that catch that’s for sure
Or Tele'a. On current form.
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I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.
As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.
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I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.
As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024:
I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.
As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.
Sotutu added a ruggedness to his game that wasn't there previously.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger the idiot brigade out again. Give it a rest. It’s getting boring.
Where did the Crusaders finish up this year?
There's obvious bias. Even most (but obviosuly not all) Crusaders should be able to see this
That could be asking the impossible
Robertsons a fool really. All he had to do is not make any dubious Crusaders selections and everyone would have been on his side as the man.
So Ardie over Scott as captain
RR in preference to Bell
Plummer in preference to Havili
And not BlackadderThats it. He could have then brought them all in if and only if they proved themsleves in SRP 2025
I for one am glad Robertson isn’t selecting the fringe squad players with the purpose of keeping some internet forum fans happy.
I don't know, his selection of Blackadder and Havili is keeping some internet forum fans happy.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@pukunui said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger the idiot brigade out again. Give it a rest. It’s getting boring.
Where did the Crusaders finish up this year?
There's obvious bias. Even most (but obviosuly not all) Crusaders should be able to see this
That could be asking the impossible
Robertsons a fool really. All he had to do is not make any dubious Crusaders selections and everyone would have been on his side as the man.
So Ardie over Scott as captain
RR in preference to Bell
Plummer in preference to Havili
And not BlackadderThats it. He could have then brought them all in if and only if they proved themsleves in SRP 2025
I for one am glad Robertson isn’t selecting the fringe squad players with the purpose of keeping some internet forum fans happy.
I don't know, his selection of Blackadder and Havili is keeping some internet forum fans happy.
Definitely keeping me happy. And the majority of rugby punters across the country. I'd imagine. The criticism of his play is like pushing shit uphill for certain ferners. They keep doing it though. They'll die on that hill.
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I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.
As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.
I love this post.
Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.
Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.
And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.
Chef’s kiss ferning.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024:
I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.
As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.
Sotutu added a ruggedness to his game that wasn't there previously.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024:
I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.
As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.
Sotutu added a ruggedness to his game that wasn't there previously.
Agreed and needs to be given another go.
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@MN5 We could have won two more Rugby World Cups if we had more pace and power in the backrow in 1999 and 2003, but instead we went with the worthy journeyman. Just dumb.
@sparky I still wonder how Isitolo Maka would have gone at the 99 WC.
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I love this post.
Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.
Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.
And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.
Chef’s kiss ferning.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
I love this post.
Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.
Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.
And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.
Chef’s kiss ferning.
Nut meet shell.
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I love this post.
Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.
Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.
And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.
Chef’s kiss ferning.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
I love this post.
Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.
Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.
And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.
Chef’s kiss ferning.
Whatever floats your boat.
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People on here forget SR finals Havilli and some classic performances esp. that victory in SA that saved Foster's ass. For some reason, the headless chook games of the previous group seem to have stuck on Havilli more so than anyone else. The same people crying for Sotutu and Akira lambast Havilli yet they also were part of those performances.
Wouldn't have Cane or Havilli myself but take the blinders off.@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
People on here forget SR finals Havilli and some classic performances esp. that victory in SA that saved Foster's ass.
Havili filled a role when the AB midfield was decimated by injury and he did OK in SA 2 but that was his peak.
I see the logic in Cane being in the squad, he's an absolute warrior with a ton of experience, zero ego, an asset in tough games and the sort of player an inexperienced new coach like Robertson would turn to.
You really can't say that about Havili with a fully-fit midfield.
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One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Don’t understand Cane’s selection
New Zealand's cultural obsession, especially the Canterbury region's, utter obsession with the worthy backrow battler. It's the Achilles heal.
Also, the NZ Rugby media is different from everywhere else. No single member of the press will be asking Razor "Why are picking a guy who hasn't played for six months?" All Blacks coaches don't get asked the tough questions ever.
Not that Sam Cane wasn't an excellent player at peak, but hard to see what he's done at all in the last six months to justify Back row selection ahead of Hoskins Sotutu, Akira Ioane, Brayden Iose, Peter Lakai or Billy Harmon.
Certain people get agitated when I voice my opinions (they are just words) on these matters, so I should stop there.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
I'd say 2017. Hansen orginally planned to finish then - in hindsightl that was the time to go. The next two years weren't great.
I'm still pissed at TJP in Lions 3 pissing aroudn flapping at the ref instead of clearing the ball from the
penaltyscrum we won at the end of the game. Cost us the chance of a series victory right there, with a second bite of the cherry. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
I'd say 2017. Hansen orginally planned to finish then - in hindsightl that was the time to go. The next two years weren't great.
I'm still pissed at TJP in Lions 3 pissing aroudn flapping at the ref instead of clearing the ball from the
penaltyscrum we won at the end of the game. Cost us the chance of a series victory right there, with a second bite of the cherry. -
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
Certain people get agitated when I voice my opinions (they are just words) on these matters, so I should stop there.
No need to feel special fulla.
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To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
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To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
The lack of physicality thing is a bit of a myth too
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To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
Kinda, but not really. We need one for the bench at most, not both of them, and ALB has a far better record.
