All Blacks 2024
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I love this post.
Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.
Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.
And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.
Chef’s kiss ferning.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
I love this post.
Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.
Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.
And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.
Chef’s kiss ferning.
Whatever floats your boat.
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People on here forget SR finals Havilli and some classic performances esp. that victory in SA that saved Foster's ass. For some reason, the headless chook games of the previous group seem to have stuck on Havilli more so than anyone else. The same people crying for Sotutu and Akira lambast Havilli yet they also were part of those performances.
Wouldn't have Cane or Havilli myself but take the blinders off.@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
People on here forget SR finals Havilli and some classic performances esp. that victory in SA that saved Foster's ass.
Havili filled a role when the AB midfield was decimated by injury and he did OK in SA 2 but that was his peak.
I see the logic in Cane being in the squad, he's an absolute warrior with a ton of experience, zero ego, an asset in tough games and the sort of player an inexperienced new coach like Robertson would turn to.
You really can't say that about Havili with a fully-fit midfield.
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One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Don’t understand Cane’s selection
New Zealand's cultural obsession, especially the Canterbury region's, utter obsession with the worthy backrow battler. It's the Achilles heal.
Also, the NZ Rugby media is different from everywhere else. No single member of the press will be asking Razor "Why are picking a guy who hasn't played for six months?" All Blacks coaches don't get asked the tough questions ever.
Not that Sam Cane wasn't an excellent player at peak, but hard to see what he's done at all in the last six months to justify Back row selection ahead of Hoskins Sotutu, Akira Ioane, Brayden Iose, Peter Lakai or Billy Harmon.
Certain people get agitated when I voice my opinions (they are just words) on these matters, so I should stop there.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
I'd say 2017. Hansen orginally planned to finish then - in hindsightl that was the time to go. The next two years weren't great.
I'm still pissed at TJP in Lions 3 pissing aroudn flapping at the ref instead of clearing the ball from the
penaltyscrum we won at the end of the game. Cost us the chance of a series victory right there, with a second bite of the cherry. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
I'd say 2017. Hansen orginally planned to finish then - in hindsightl that was the time to go. The next two years weren't great.
I'm still pissed at TJP in Lions 3 pissing aroudn flapping at the ref instead of clearing the ball from the
penaltyscrum we won at the end of the game. Cost us the chance of a series victory right there, with a second bite of the cherry. -
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
Certain people get agitated when I voice my opinions (they are just words) on these matters, so I should stop there.
No need to feel special fulla.
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To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
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To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
The lack of physicality thing is a bit of a myth too
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To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
Kinda, but not really. We need one for the bench at most, not both of them, and ALB has a far better record.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
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A change of style for their halfbacks (i.e., more of a running threat) is why Christie wasn't selected.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
ALB can play anywhere he wants after that quarter final performance....
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/GoNvgJS61XxGo9LP/?mibextid=xCPwDs
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
ALB can play anywhere he wants after that quarter final performance....
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/GoNvgJS61XxGo9LP/?mibextid=xCPwDs
@JayCee said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
ALB can play anywhere he wants after that quarter final performance....
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/GoNvgJS61XxGo9LP/?mibextid=xCPwDs
he seems to have really improved his defensive efforts ,
I can remember at some point when he first came in , thinking it was a potential weakness ( maybe around the lions tour ? )
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@Bovidae have to assume Christie was told of the desire to run more and wasn't able to do what they needed from him?
@taniwharugby The articles says Christie has been sent back to Ta$man with some work-ons.
“We’ve told Fin to go back to Ta$man and continue to work on his game, have high energy and be instinctive around his attacking game. We’ve given him some work-ons,
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The problem for Finlay is he's never been much of a sniper - I find it hard to believe that he will be able to develop that aspect of his game enough to overtake those in front of him.
By comparison Hansen's comments about Hotham's running game were illustrative
“He was close to the team to start with … with the point of difference around his running game. He’s not a halfback you need to tell ‘run’ … he finds it through instinct. They’re the uncoachable bits in his game. Against Fiji you saw he changed our point of attack, and what that looked like – will we attack differently due to that? -
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
ALB can play anywhere he wants after that quarter final performance....
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/GoNvgJS61XxGo9LP/?mibextid=xCPwDs
