All Blacks 2024
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild
It has. Like, I back every coach we have and I think things will improve once the selectors figure out what they want and who their best side is going forward, but the public and media Came down on Fozzie like a ton of bricks at any opportunity, yet every excuse under the sun is made for Razor and his team.
This will be a great season for bringing Razor down a peg or 2 as well. Enough of these stupid 3 part docos on how great he is, parading around like a drunk idiot at the annual black clash, having everyone telling him how wonderful he is, picking and choosing what rep teams he wants to coach, hiding in SR when in all honesty, he outgrew the comp after about 3-4 seasons and I personally would have liked to have seen him take up another challenge before considering the ABs gig, his answer of 'I don't need to learn overseas, I already did my time over there as a player' something along those lines was of a concern to me, suggested he was too good for that sort of challenge etc. etc. He's also being a bit of a smart arse with his answers now that things aren't all going his way. He's only used to having everything in his favour and asked easy positive questions by the media.
I believe he'll get there eventually and deserves year 2 at least to find the right team and style, but I also think he was a bit smug and thought it would be a lot easier than it has been despite the warnings from Jeff Wilson and the 1% of the public that didn't grease up to him.
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What do you do if you are Razor here?
Ireland England and France away from home in 8 weeks time.
He needs wins on the board soon to keep the wolves from the door so he doesnt look like a busted flush himself.
But the experienced heads are letting him down. Barrett kicking the ball away week in week out, McKenzie missing kicks. The captain dropping a pass cold today while hot on attack. Two completely avoidable yellow cards today.
I hope he knows in his heart that some of these players are finished but by the same token , Lansdowne , Twickenham and Paris are tough places to give a couple of new guys game time concurrently.
Maybe he needs to blood some newbies against Australia. Proctor and Love come to mind.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
But the experienced heads are letting him down. Barrett kicking the ball away week in week out, McKenzie missing kicks. The captain dropping a pass cold today while hot on attack. Two completely avoidable yellow cards today.
This isn’t aimed at you in particular but it’s a prime example so don’t take this the wrong way.
I don’t think I ever saw these kind of excuses for Foster and poor performances. It’s funny how things change when it suits someone’s narrative lol
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild
It has. Like, I back every coach we have and I think things will improve once the selectors figure out what they want and who their best side is going forward, but the public and media Came down on Fozzie like a ton of bricks at any opportunity, yet every excuse under the sun is made for Razor and his team.
This will be a great season for bringing Razor down a peg or 2 as well. Enough of these stupid 3 part docos on how great he is, parading around like a drunk idiot at the annual black clash, having everyone telling him how wonderful he is, picking and choosing what rep teams he wants to coach, hiding in SR when in all honesty, he outgrew the comp after about 3-4 seasons and I personally would have liked to have seen him take up another challenge before considering the ABs gig, his answer of 'I don't need to learn overseas, I already did my time over there as a player' something along those lines was of a concern to me, suggested he was too good for that sort of challenge etc. etc. He's also being a bit of a smart arse with his answers now that things aren't all going his way. He's only used to having everything in his favour and asked easy positive questions by the media.
I believe he'll get there eventually and deserves year 2 at least to find the right team and style, but I also think he was a bit smug and thought it would be a lot easier than it has been despite the warnings from Jeff Wilson and the 1% of the public that didn't grease up to him.
Regarding the media stuff, it’ll be interesting to see how he copes with the English & Irish rugby media later in the year. They’ll ask aggressive questions and will be quite happy to make him a villain if he keeps giving smart arse answers
It’s a bit different than having friendly chats with Knowler etc
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.
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Regarding the media stuff, it’ll be interesting to see how he copes with the English & Irish rugby media later in the year. They’ll ask aggressive questions and will be quite happy to make him a villain if he keeps giving smart arse answers
It’s a bit different than having friendly chats with Knowler etc
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Regarding the media stuff, it’ll be interesting to see how he copes with the English & Irish rugby media later in the year. They’ll ask aggressive questions and will be quite happy to make him a villain if he keeps giving smart arse answers
It’s a bit different than having friendly chats with Knowler etc
I agree. Obviously he can do no wrong in our publics eyes, but they don't give a shit about him. I recall Mitchell and Thorne having a frost relationship with the media, difference was back then is they also got heavily criticized if things weren't going well, by media and public.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.
Take it anyway you like I don’t give a fuck.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.
Take it anyway you like I don’t give a fuck.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.
Take it anyway you like I don’t give a fuck.
Multiple posts suggest otherwise...
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.
Take it anyway you like I don’t give a fuck.
Multiple posts suggest otherwise...
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.
Take it anyway you like I don’t give a fuck.
Multiple posts suggest otherwise...
Yeah ok whatever I have more going on. to deal with than this shit.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.
Take it anyway you like I don’t give a fuck.
Multiple posts suggest otherwise...
Yeah ok whatever I have more going on. to deal with than this shit.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?
You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.
That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.
Take it anyway you like I don’t give a fuck.
Multiple posts suggest otherwise...
Yeah ok whatever I have more going on. to deal with than this shit.
Yet another post suggests otherwise...
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild
To be Fair I probably did blast Foster but this is one hell of a year for your first year as coach EOYT that is daunting 2 tests v SA in SA.
But I am not happy by the results either or totally convinced on the coaching group atm.
Maybe I am just sick of the negative shit now.Mine included.things happen out here in the real world like terminal illness we all have to deal with maybe I just want to be positive from now on.@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild
To be Fair I probably did blast Foster but this is one hell of a year for your first year as coach EOYT that is daunting 2 tests v SA in SA.
But I am not happy by the results either or totally convinced on the coaching group atm.I'm curious, what aren't you convinced about the current coaching group? Our attack is looking good with Hansen taking responsibility, we are no longer having trouble getting past the rush defense, our attack looks really effective imo, defense has also been good. Our big problem atm is discipline, it's losing us these games.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild
To be Fair I probably did blast Foster but this is one hell of a year for your first year as coach EOYT that is daunting 2 tests v SA in SA.
But I am not happy by the results either or totally convinced on the coaching group atm.I'm curious, what aren't you convinced about the current coaching group? Our attack is looking good with Hansen taking responsibility, we are no longer having trouble getting past the rush defense, our attack looks really effective imo, defense has also been good. Our big problem atm is discipline, it's losing us these games.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild
To be Fair I probably did blast Foster but this is one hell of a year for your first year as coach EOYT that is daunting 2 tests v SA in SA.
But I am not happy by the results either or totally convinced on the coaching group atm.I'm curious, what aren't you convinced about the current coaching group? Our attack is looking good with Hansen taking responsibility, we are no longer having trouble getting past the rush defense, our attack looks really effective imo, defense has also been good. Our big problem atm is discipline, it's losing us these games.
You could argue our forwards did enough to win us both games. But we just don't have the killer instinct right now
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild
To be Fair I probably did blast Foster but this is one hell of a year for your first year as coach EOYT that is daunting 2 tests v SA in SA.
But I am not happy by the results either or totally convinced on the coaching group atm.I'm curious, what aren't you convinced about the current coaching group? Our attack is looking good with Hansen taking responsibility, we are no longer having trouble getting past the rush defense, our attack looks really effective imo, defense has also been good. Our big problem atm is discipline, it's losing us these games.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
I’m
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mildTo be Fair I probably did blast Foster but this is one hell of a year for your first year as coach EOYT that is daunting 2 tests v SA in SA.
But I am not happy by the results either or totally convinced on the coaching group atm.I'm curious, what aren't you convinced about the current coaching group? Our attack is looking good with Hansen taking responsibility, we are no longer having trouble getting past the rush defense, our attack looks really effective imo, defense has also been good. Our big problem atm is discipline, it's losing us these games.
I see all of that but not convinced until we get better results, and bite the bullet and drop some of the older players BB,TJP and Savea in particular.
I am hopeful it’s.a Blip atm and we are building. -
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild
@Duluth This ABs team didn’t lose to the Boks in last 2 tests like they did in Mbombela (26-10) or at Twickenham (35-7).
Last 20 mins were poor, but you can at least say that the first 40-60 mins were v positive.
Boks are better than they were in 2023 too.
The Argentina result - that was the one that was unacceptable.
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I haven't read the match thread yet but Robertson needs to take the blame for his poor substitutions. TJP was brought on far too early, and had the exact opposite effect despite all of his experience.
Lomax was subbed too late as he clearly looked gassed before the YC incident.
Looking at the greater squad who now wouldn't prefer Narawa on the right wing? The wrong winger got cut.
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@Jet things weren’t brilliant in 2004 when Henry took over. 2004 EOYT saw a changing of the guard and the emergence of the playing style that defined NZ during the purple patch of 2005-2017.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet things weren’t brilliant in 2004 when Henry took over. 2004 EOYT saw a changing of the guard and the emergence of the playing style that defined NZ during the purple patch of 2005-2017.
Henry was a proven and successful international coach with 8 years experience (turned around Wales and coached the BIL) when he took over the ABs.
Robertson is neither right now and that's the issue.
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I haven't read the match thread yet but Robertson needs to take the blame for his poor substitutions. TJP was brought on far too early, and had the exact opposite effect despite all of his experience.
Lomax was subbed too late as he clearly looked gassed before the YC incident.
Looking at the greater squad who now wouldn't prefer Narawa on the right wing? The wrong winger got cut.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet things weren’t brilliant in 2004 when Henry took over. 2004 EOYT saw a changing of the guard and the emergence of the playing style that defined NZ during the purple patch of 2005-2017.
Henry was a proven and successful international coach with 8 years experience (turned around Wales and coached the BIL) when he took over the ABs.
Robertson is neither right now and that's the issue.
@Victor-Meldrew he had coached at international level. He got his arse handed to him in 2004 and had to adjust.
Robertson has had his arse handed to him. Now he needs to adjust. Let’s see if he does.
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@Victor-Meldrew he had coached at international level. He got his arse handed to him in 2004 and had to adjust.
Robertson has had his arse handed to him. Now he needs to adjust. Let’s see if he does.
@stodders Henry also saw a massive rise than the collapse in Welsh fortunes too in his international career. He would have learned heaps from that. He also had 2 fabulous assistant coaches to drive his message through - and even then, they had to switch roles to get the best out of the playing group. Coaching isn’t easy.
I think Robertson will come right. He isn’t Mitchell and you aren’t on a journey at least
