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Bones

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris

Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations

I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.

Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?

You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.

That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.

Take it anyway you like I don’t give a fuck.

Multiple posts suggest otherwise...

Chris

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris

Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations

I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.

Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?

You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.

That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.

Take it anyway you like I don’t give a fuck.

Multiple posts suggest otherwise...

Yeah ok whatever I have more going on. to deal with than this shit.

Bones

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris

Also the Argentina loss. 3 losses in 4 matches is well below expectations

I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
SA are the best side in the World ATM.
We have to admit that and build a new team for the WC .
The loss to Argentina was more shit than the 2 loses to SA in SA.

Am I recalling wrong or did you not defend Foster like this?

You recall wrongly I never defended Foster as you well know.

That's what I was asking. Seems rather two faced then.

Take it anyway you like I don’t give a fuck.

Multiple posts suggest otherwise...

Yeah ok whatever I have more going on. to deal with than this shit.

Yet another post suggests otherwise...

darylmitchell

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.

How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild

To be Fair I probably did blast Foster but this is one hell of a year for your first year as coach EOYT that is daunting 2 tests v SA in SA.
But I am not happy by the results either or totally convinced on the coaching group atm.

I'm curious, what aren't you convinced about the current coaching group? Our attack is looking good with Hansen taking responsibility, we are no longer having trouble getting past the rush defense, our attack looks really effective imo, defense has also been good. Our big problem atm is discipline, it's losing us these games.

canefan

@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.

How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild

To be Fair I probably did blast Foster but this is one hell of a year for your first year as coach EOYT that is daunting 2 tests v SA in SA.
But I am not happy by the results either or totally convinced on the coaching group atm.

I'm curious, what aren't you convinced about the current coaching group? Our attack is looking good with Hansen taking responsibility, we are no longer having trouble getting past the rush defense, our attack looks really effective imo, defense has also been good. Our big problem atm is discipline, it's losing us these games.

You could argue our forwards did enough to win us both games. But we just don't have the killer instinct right now

Chris

@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

I agree it is but some of the BS on these threads is over the top.
I’m
How does it compare to what you wrote in the previous 2-3 seasons? I think the criticism has been mild

To be Fair I probably did blast Foster but this is one hell of a year for your first year as coach EOYT that is daunting 2 tests v SA in SA.
But I am not happy by the results either or totally convinced on the coaching group atm.

I'm curious, what aren't you convinced about the current coaching group? Our attack is looking good with Hansen taking responsibility, we are no longer having trouble getting past the rush defense, our attack looks really effective imo, defense has also been good. Our big problem atm is discipline, it's losing us these games.

I see all of that but not convinced until we get better results, and bite the bullet and drop some of the older players BB,TJP and Savea in particular.
I am hopeful it’s.a Blip atm and we are building.

stodders

@Duluth This ABs team didn’t lose to the Boks in last 2 tests like they did in Mbombela (26-10) or at Twickenham (35-7).

Last 20 mins were poor, but you can at least say that the first 40-60 mins were v positive.

Boks are better than they were in 2023 too.

The Argentina result - that was the one that was unacceptable.

Bovidae

I haven't read the match thread yet but Robertson needs to take the blame for his poor substitutions. TJP was brought on far too early, and had the exact opposite effect despite all of his experience.

Lomax was subbed too late as he clearly looked gassed before the YC incident.

Looking at the greater squad who now wouldn't prefer Narawa on the right wing? The wrong winger got cut.

Victor Meldrew

@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:

@Jet things weren’t brilliant in 2004 when Henry took over. 2004 EOYT saw a changing of the guard and the emergence of the playing style that defined NZ during the purple patch of 2005-2017.

Henry was a proven and successful international coach with 8 years experience (turned around Wales and coached the BIL) when he took over the ABs.

Robertson is neither right now and that's the issue.

Bones

@Bovidae to be fair, I think we probably all thought Telea would come right?

But yeah, Jordan shouldn't have been selected.

stodders

@Victor-Meldrew he had coached at international level. He got his arse handed to him in 2004 and had to adjust.

Robertson has had his arse handed to him. Now he needs to adjust. Let’s see if he does.

stodders

@stodders Henry also saw a massive rise than the collapse in Welsh fortunes too in his international career. He would have learned heaps from that. He also had 2 fabulous assistant coaches to drive his message through - and even then, they had to switch roles to get the best out of the playing group. Coaching isn’t easy.

I think Robertson will come right. He isn’t Mitchell and you aren’t on a journey at least

canefan

@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:

@stodders Henry also saw a massive rise than the collapse in Welsh fortunes too in his international career. He would have learned heaps from that. He also had 2 fabulous assistant coaches to drive his message through - and even then, they had to switch roles to get the best out of the playing group. Coaching isn’t easy.

I think Robertson will come right. He isn’t Mitchell and you aren’t on a journey at least

Let's not forget that Henry's ABs fell in RWC07 and he could consider himself lucky to be reappointed based on the standard operating procedure regarding losing RWC coaches of the NZRFU at the time

reprobate

@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

What the fuck is up with the kicking?

We know we have good kickers in the side, we've seen them do it.

Why is DMac taking a shot at goal from 60 when his range is 40? Why do we make so little ground when kicking for touch?

The rest of your post I completely agree with, but why do you keep saying McKenzie's range is 40m when it's not?
He can kick them from 50 comfortably and has done many times in the past. Not a good night off the tee, but to say his range is 40m is just plain wrong.

stodders

@canefan Henry’s team were a well oiled machine by 2007. The 2007 mishap, and 2009 Bok dominance forced the evolution that led to back to back world cups.

African Monkey

@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:

@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:

@stodders Henry also saw a massive rise than the collapse in Welsh fortunes too in his international career. He would have learned heaps from that. He also had 2 fabulous assistant coaches to drive his message through - and even then, they had to switch roles to get the best out of the playing group. Coaching isn’t easy.

I think Robertson will come right. He isn’t Mitchell and you aren’t on a journey at least

Let's not forget that Henry's ABs fell in RWC07 and he could consider himself lucky to be reappointed based on the standard operating procedure regarding losing RWC coaches of the NZRFU at the time

Yeah we did choke, but it was our performances from 2005 up until that loss which made sense keeping Graham Henry. We had a lean year in 2009, but other than that and the shock 07 loss, we were very dominant.

canefan

@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:

@canefan Henry’s team were a well oiled machine by 2007. The 2007 mishap, and 2009 Bok dominance forced the evolution that led to back to back world cups.

Not well oiled enough. I remember the talk on here after the game. No plan B

BerniesCorner

Razor is getting some slack and rightly so. Building quite nicely actually.
The next step is to accept some of the incumbents need to be put out to pasture. A few of the subs are so so.

Victor Meldrew

@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:

@Victor-Meldrew he had coached at international level. He got his arse handed to him in 2004 and had to adjust.

Robertson has had his arse handed to him. Now he needs to adjust. Let’s see if he does.

Henry lost 2 games out of 11 in '04 - a 5 point loss in Sydney and a 14 point loss at Ellis Park - so hardly had his arse handed to him. Robertson has to win all his games against Oz, Ireland, England and France to match that.

Now I don't know if Robertson's been unlucky, is adjusting or needs more support, but it's fair to say the jury's out on if he can hack it at Test level.

Victor Meldrew

@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:

Yeah we did choke, but it was our performances from 2005 up until that loss which made sense keeping Graham Henry.

The issue now is we choke every second game we play.

The sort of fight we showed in tough games like against Ireland and Sth Africa in the RWC seems to have vanished.

The Silver Fern

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