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  • No QuarterN No Quarter

    Any injury ravaged player from any other franchise, with no recent form or any body of work in black, would never have made this squad. Given that, the scrutiny on his performances given who he was selected ahead of at 6 is warranted. Yes a number of other players have under performed, but at least they were selected on either recent form or their body of work in black (e.g. Ardie). Blackadder had neither, and given his performances to date, people are rightly asking the question as to why he was preferred over other players in career best form.

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    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:

    Any injury ravaged player from any other franchise, with no recent form or any body of work in black, would never have made this squad. Given that, the scrutiny on his performances given who he was selected ahead of at 6 is warranted. Yes a number of other players have under performed, but at least they were selected on either recent form or their body of work in black (e.g. Ardie). Blackadder had neither, and given his performances to date, people are rightly asking the question as to why he was preferred over other players in career best form.

    He's played better than Finau (who was given the 2 first starts against England in the A team), and Jacobson, so the selection questions now should be directed at them in my opinion. There are only a couple of posts questioning them being there, and heaps around Blackadder.
    As I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have picked Blackadder initially. In my opinion now, he's been well worth his place. Who hasn't: Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Jacobson, Finau, TJP, Christie, Jordie, Rieko, Telea, Reece, Jordan, Beauden. Arguably Savea too. Yet Blackadder cops more shit than the rest of them combined? That's just fucken weird.

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    • RoninWCR RoninWC

      @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

      @RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:

      @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:

      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:

      @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:

      Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.

      you are talking about EB?
      Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?

      One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
      Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...

      LOL, I call BS on this statement.

      One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!

      He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.

      Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.

      God you're repetitive and full of shit. He didn't walk into the starting side. The starting loosies against England were DP, AS, SF. EB and LJ had their first starts vs Fiji. EB performed, SF had not, and of the options available he earned the starting spot.
      I wouldn't have picked him initially due to a lack of playing time, but he has performed well and justified his selection. Stats back that up.
      To say he's been selected because he's the son of a mate paints you as quite the fluffybunny.

      HAHAHA, look who's talking. It's my opinion, you have yours and I have my own.

      And it's as clear AF that he should never have been picked in the first place. He did walk into the side without merit, that much is clear.

      And I completely disagree that EB has "performed" as I have put in only 1 single previous post, I do not believe that he is effective. He's busy but effective, far from it in my opinion.

      You have yours, but that is not reason to call anyone a fluffybunny, especially from one such as yourself!

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      @RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:

      @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

      @RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:

      @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:

      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:

      @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:

      Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.

      you are talking about EB?
      Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?

      One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
      Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...

      LOL, I call BS on this statement.

      One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!

      He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.

      Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.

      God you're repetitive and full of shit. He didn't walk into the starting side. The starting loosies against England were DP, AS, SF. EB and LJ had their first starts vs Fiji. EB performed, SF had not, and of the options available he earned the starting spot.
      I wouldn't have picked him initially due to a lack of playing time, but he has performed well and justified his selection. Stats back that up.
      To say he's been selected because he's the son of a mate paints you as quite the fluffybunny.

      HAHAHA, look who's talking. It's my opinion, you have yours and I have my own.

      And it's as clear AF that he should never have been picked in the first place. He did walk into the side without merit, that much is clear.

      And I completely disagree that EB has "performed" as I have put in only 1 single previous post, I do not believe that he is effective. He's busy but effective, far from it in my opinion.

      You have yours, but that is not reason to call anyone a fluffybunny, especially from one such as yourself!

      Not true, you've made 4 posts, all basically going 'Blackadder sucks!'. Nice contribution.

      He walked into the squad without merit, not into the starting side. He got in there due to others not performing, or do you think Finau played the house down?

      I've got no problem with saying he shouldn't have been selected because he hadn't played enough and therefore hasn't shown form/performance better than others, and they should have been selected instead - in fact that was exactly my opinion when he was named.

      But saying someone was selected because he's the son of a mate is a fluffybunny of a thing to say. It's just a nasty unproven allegation.

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        @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:

        Any injury ravaged player from any other franchise, with no recent form or any body of work in black, would never have made this squad. Given that, the scrutiny on his performances given who he was selected ahead of at 6 is warranted. Yes a number of other players have under performed, but at least they were selected on either recent form or their body of work in black (e.g. Ardie). Blackadder had neither, and given his performances to date, people are rightly asking the question as to why he was preferred over other players in career best form.

        He's played better than Finau (who was given the 2 first starts against England in the A team), and Jacobson, so the selection questions now should be directed at them in my opinion. There are only a couple of posts questioning them being there, and heaps around Blackadder.
        As I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have picked Blackadder initially. In my opinion now, he's been well worth his place. Who hasn't: Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Jacobson, Finau, TJP, Christie, Jordie, Rieko, Telea, Reece, Jordan, Beauden. Arguably Savea too. Yet Blackadder cops more shit than the rest of them combined? That's just fucken weird.

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        @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

        @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:

        Any injury ravaged player from any other franchise, with no recent form or any body of work in black, would never have made this squad. Given that, the scrutiny on his performances given who he was selected ahead of at 6 is warranted. Yes a number of other players have under performed, but at least they were selected on either recent form or their body of work in black (e.g. Ardie). Blackadder had neither, and given his performances to date, people are rightly asking the question as to why he was preferred over other players in career best form.

        He's played better than Finau (who was given the 2 first starts against England in the A team), and Jacobson, so the selection questions now should be directed at them in my opinion. There are only a couple of posts questioning them being there, and heaps around Blackadder.
        As I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have picked Blackadder initially. In my opinion now, he's been well worth his place. Who hasn't: Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Jacobson, Finau, TJP, Christie, Jordie, Rieko, Telea, Reece, Jordan, Beauden. Arguably Savea too. Yet Blackadder cops more shit than the rest of them combined? That's just fucken weird.

        I'll try one more time, not sure if I'm being clear enough.

        All of the players you listed were picked on recent form or previous performances in black, their selections have not fucked with the balance of their positions, and there were no real clear or obvious better players to pick. On the flipside, Blackadder was picked on the back of no recent form as he's been injured so much, and no previous stand out performances in black. On top of that, his selection has fucked the balance of the loose forwards as we already have a stack of players like him in other positions, and he's been picked ahead of a player who was in career best form, had just finished dominating the other loosies selected in the squad in the finals of SR, and has had dominant performances in black in the past. Blackadder was then fast tracked into the starting lineup as soon as he was fit.

        So given all of that, there is nothing weird about the focus on him. It was a clearly biased selection, and if that selection was to be justified then he'd better play the fucking house down. Against the might of a weakened Fiji team he looked well off the pace, and his subsequent performances have been OK without having any real impact on the game. So his selection has not been justified at all, and a lot of All Black fans (outside of Canterbury) are frustrated by it given our biggest weakness right now is our loosies.

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        • No QuarterN No Quarter

          @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

          @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:

          Any injury ravaged player from any other franchise, with no recent form or any body of work in black, would never have made this squad. Given that, the scrutiny on his performances given who he was selected ahead of at 6 is warranted. Yes a number of other players have under performed, but at least they were selected on either recent form or their body of work in black (e.g. Ardie). Blackadder had neither, and given his performances to date, people are rightly asking the question as to why he was preferred over other players in career best form.

          He's played better than Finau (who was given the 2 first starts against England in the A team), and Jacobson, so the selection questions now should be directed at them in my opinion. There are only a couple of posts questioning them being there, and heaps around Blackadder.
          As I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have picked Blackadder initially. In my opinion now, he's been well worth his place. Who hasn't: Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Jacobson, Finau, TJP, Christie, Jordie, Rieko, Telea, Reece, Jordan, Beauden. Arguably Savea too. Yet Blackadder cops more shit than the rest of them combined? That's just fucken weird.

          I'll try one more time, not sure if I'm being clear enough.

          All of the players you listed were picked on recent form or previous performances in black, their selections have not fucked with the balance of their positions, and there were no real clear or obvious better players to pick. On the flipside, Blackadder was picked on the back of no recent form as he's been injured so much, and no previous stand out performances in black. On top of that, his selection has fucked the balance of the loose forwards as we already have a stack of players like him in other positions, and he's been picked ahead of a player who was in career best form, had just finished dominating the other loosies selected in the squad in the finals of SR, and has had dominant performances in black in the past. Blackadder was then fast tracked into the starting lineup as soon as he was fit.

          So given all of that, there is nothing weird about the focus on him. It was a clearly biased selection, and if that selection was to be justified then he'd better play the fucking house down. Against the might of a weakened Fiji team he looked well off the pace, and his subsequent performances have been OK without having any real impact on the game. So his selection has not been justified at all, and a lot of All Black fans (outside of Canterbury) are frustrated by it given our biggest weakness right now is our loosies.

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          @No-Quarter and like I said, his selection into the squad was not justified on form, but then he earned the starting spot - out of the players in the squad.
          It's a different argument, but Akira is going overseas. Personally I wouldn't have picked Sam Cane for that reason, and his body of work in black is a shitload more than Akira.
          Hoskins clearly should have been picked over Sititi on form and merit. Why no outcry there? Would there be if he were a crusader?

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            @No-Quarter and like I said, his selection into the squad was not justified on form, but then he earned the starting spot - out of the players in the squad.
            It's a different argument, but Akira is going overseas. Personally I wouldn't have picked Sam Cane for that reason, and his body of work in black is a shitload more than Akira.
            Hoskins clearly should have been picked over Sititi on form and merit. Why no outcry there? Would there be if he were a crusader?

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            @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

            Hoskins clearly should have been picked over Sititi on form and merit. Why no outcry there? Would there be if he were a crusader?

            What? No outcry, do you just skip hundreds of posts?

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              @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

              Hoskins clearly should have been picked over Sititi on form and merit. Why no outcry there? Would there be if he were a crusader?

              What? No outcry, do you just skip hundreds of posts?

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              @Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:

              @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

              Hoskins clearly should have been picked over Sititi on form and merit. Why no outcry there? Would there be if he were a crusader?

              What? No outcry, do you just skip hundreds of posts?

              @sparky in particular was in fine form White Knighting Sotutu ( and A Ioane ) saying amongst other things that opposition teams fear him and he would be a “transformation player” if he qualified for England.

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                @No-Quarter and like I said, his selection into the squad was not justified on form, but then he earned the starting spot - out of the players in the squad.
                It's a different argument, but Akira is going overseas. Personally I wouldn't have picked Sam Cane for that reason, and his body of work in black is a shitload more than Akira.
                Hoskins clearly should have been picked over Sititi on form and merit. Why no outcry there? Would there be if he were a crusader?

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                @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

                Hoskins clearly should have been picked over Sititi on form and merit. Why no outcry there? Would there be if he were a crusader?

                Umm, where have you been? There was plenty of outcry about Hoskins omission. Sititi hasn't really played until last week so his performances weren't up to be questioned like Slackbladder's, regardless of where he plays.

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                  I’m guessing rightly or wrongly razor went into selecting his loosies based on opinions he already had about certain players from his coaching for and against during super rugby .

                  So for example if he coached the crusaders to get the better of the blues in his time , particularly in the forwards , those opinions were set in stone before 2024 kicked off .

                  Just a hunch .

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                  • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

                    I’m guessing rightly or wrongly razor went into selecting his loosies based on opinions he already had about certain players from his coaching for and against during super rugby .

                    So for example if he coached the crusaders to get the better of the blues in his time , particularly in the forwards , those opinions were set in stone before 2024 kicked off .

                    Just a hunch .

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                    @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:

                    I’m guessing rightly or wrongly razor went into selecting his loosies based on opinions he already had about certain players from his coaching for and against during super rugby .

                    So for example if he coached the crusaders to get the better of the blues in his time , particularly in the forwards , those opinions were set in stone before 2024 kicked off .

                    Just a hunch .

                    Forget Ioane and Sotutu, Cullen Grace is definitely the most unlucky guy to miss out

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                    • No QuarterN No Quarter

                      @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:

                      Any injury ravaged player from any other franchise, with no recent form or any body of work in black, would never have made this squad. Given that, the scrutiny on his performances given who he was selected ahead of at 6 is warranted. Yes a number of other players have under performed, but at least they were selected on either recent form or their body of work in black (e.g. Ardie). Blackadder had neither, and given his performances to date, people are rightly asking the question as to why he was preferred over other players in career best form.

                      He's played better than Finau (who was given the 2 first starts against England in the A team), and Jacobson, so the selection questions now should be directed at them in my opinion. There are only a couple of posts questioning them being there, and heaps around Blackadder.
                      As I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have picked Blackadder initially. In my opinion now, he's been well worth his place. Who hasn't: Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Jacobson, Finau, TJP, Christie, Jordie, Rieko, Telea, Reece, Jordan, Beauden. Arguably Savea too. Yet Blackadder cops more shit than the rest of them combined? That's just fucken weird.

                      I'll try one more time, not sure if I'm being clear enough.

                      All of the players you listed were picked on recent form or previous performances in black, their selections have not fucked with the balance of their positions, and there were no real clear or obvious better players to pick. On the flipside, Blackadder was picked on the back of no recent form as he's been injured so much, and no previous stand out performances in black. On top of that, his selection has fucked the balance of the loose forwards as we already have a stack of players like him in other positions, and he's been picked ahead of a player who was in career best form, had just finished dominating the other loosies selected in the squad in the finals of SR, and has had dominant performances in black in the past. Blackadder was then fast tracked into the starting lineup as soon as he was fit.

                      So given all of that, there is nothing weird about the focus on him. It was a clearly biased selection, and if that selection was to be justified then he'd better play the fucking house down. Against the might of a weakened Fiji team he looked well off the pace, and his subsequent performances have been OK without having any real impact on the game. So his selection has not been justified at all, and a lot of All Black fans (outside of Canterbury) are frustrated by it given our biggest weakness right now is our loosies.

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                      @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:

                      Any injury ravaged player from any other franchise, with no recent form or any body of work in black, would never have made this squad. Given that, the scrutiny on his performances given who he was selected ahead of at 6 is warranted. Yes a number of other players have under performed, but at least they were selected on either recent form or their body of work in black (e.g. Ardie). Blackadder had neither, and given his performances to date, people are rightly asking the question as to why he was preferred over other players in career best form.

                      He's played better than Finau (who was given the 2 first starts against England in the A team), and Jacobson, so the selection questions now should be directed at them in my opinion. There are only a couple of posts questioning them being there, and heaps around Blackadder.
                      As I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have picked Blackadder initially. In my opinion now, he's been well worth his place. Who hasn't: Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Jacobson, Finau, TJP, Christie, Jordie, Rieko, Telea, Reece, Jordan, Beauden. Arguably Savea too. Yet Blackadder cops more shit than the rest of them combined? That's just fucken weird.

                      I'll try one more time, not sure if I'm being clear enough.

                      All of the players you listed were picked on recent form or previous performances in black, their selections have not fucked with the balance of their positions, and there were no real clear or obvious better players to pick. On the flipside, Blackadder was picked on the back of no recent form as he's been injured so much, and no previous stand out performances in black. On top of that, his selection has fucked the balance of the loose forwards as we already have a stack of players like him in other positions, and he's been picked ahead of a player who was in career best form, had just finished dominating the other loosies selected in the squad in the finals of SR, and has had dominant performances in black in the past. Blackadder was then fast tracked into the starting lineup as soon as he was fit.

                      So given all of that, there is nothing weird about the focus on him. It was a clearly biased selection, and if that selection was to be justified then he'd better play the fucking house down. Against the might of a weakened Fiji team he looked well off the pace, and his subsequent performances have been OK without having any real impact on the game. So his selection has not been justified at all, and a lot of All Black fans (outside of Canterbury) are frustrated by it given our biggest weakness right now is our loosies.

                      Agreed.

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                        Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                        Carries Per 80 Minutes
                        19.39 Sititi
                        16.79 Savea
                        10.85 Finau
                        8.09 Cane
                        7.87 Blackadder
                        4.67 Papali'i
                        2.63 Jacobson

                        Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                        16.17 Cane
                        15.74 Blackadder
                        14.55 Sititi
                        14.24 Finau
                        13.68 Jacobson
                        12.85 Papali'i
                        11.04 Savea

                        Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                        4.85 Sititi
                        4.74 Jacobson
                        2.42 Savea
                        2.10 Blackadder
                        1.36 Finau
                        0.43 Cane
                        0 Papali'i

                        Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                        1.62 Sititi
                        0.88 Papali'i
                        0.6 Savea
                        0.52 Blackadder
                        0.43 Cane
                        0 Finau, Jacobson

                        Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                        tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                        11.31 Sititi
                        6.8 Savea
                        4.75 Finau
                        3.15 Blackadder
                        2.05 Papali'i
                        1.7 Cane
                        1.06 Jacobson

                        Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                        turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                        4.98 Blackadder
                        4.85 Sititi
                        4.75 Finau
                        3.83 Cane
                        2.34 Papali'i
                        2.27 Savea
                        2.11 Jacobson

                        Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                        6.46 Sititi
                        4.53 Savea
                        0 Finau
                        -0.29 Papali'i
                        -1.05 Jacobson
                        -1.83 Blackadder
                        -2.13 Cane

                        Based on those stats my loose trio:

                        6 Finau
                        7 Savea
                        8 Sititi
                        21 Papali'i

                        * Without consideration of rucks attended

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                          Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                          Carries Per 80 Minutes
                          19.39 Sititi
                          16.79 Savea
                          10.85 Finau
                          8.09 Cane
                          7.87 Blackadder
                          4.67 Papali'i
                          2.63 Jacobson

                          Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                          16.17 Cane
                          15.74 Blackadder
                          14.55 Sititi
                          14.24 Finau
                          13.68 Jacobson
                          12.85 Papali'i
                          11.04 Savea

                          Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                          4.85 Sititi
                          4.74 Jacobson
                          2.42 Savea
                          2.10 Blackadder
                          1.36 Finau
                          0.43 Cane
                          0 Papali'i

                          Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                          1.62 Sititi
                          0.88 Papali'i
                          0.6 Savea
                          0.52 Blackadder
                          0.43 Cane
                          0 Finau, Jacobson

                          Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                          tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                          11.31 Sititi
                          6.8 Savea
                          4.75 Finau
                          3.15 Blackadder
                          2.05 Papali'i
                          1.7 Cane
                          1.06 Jacobson

                          Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                          turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                          4.98 Blackadder
                          4.85 Sititi
                          4.75 Finau
                          3.83 Cane
                          2.34 Papali'i
                          2.27 Savea
                          2.11 Jacobson

                          Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                          6.46 Sititi
                          4.53 Savea
                          0 Finau
                          -0.29 Papali'i
                          -1.05 Jacobson
                          -1.83 Blackadder
                          -2.13 Cane

                          Based on those stats my loose trio:

                          6 Finau
                          7 Savea
                          8 Sititi
                          21 Papali'i

                          * Without consideration of rucks attended

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                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                          Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                          Carries Per 80 Minutes
                          19.39 Sititi
                          16.79 Savea
                          10.85 Finau
                          8.09 Cane
                          7.87 Blackadder
                          4.67 Papali'i
                          2.63 Jacobson

                          Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                          16.17 Cane
                          15.74 Blackadder
                          14.55 Sititi
                          14.24 Finau
                          13.68 Jacobson
                          12.85 Papali'i
                          11.04 Savea

                          Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                          4.85 Sititi
                          4.74 Jacobson
                          2.42 Savea
                          2.10 Blackadder
                          1.36 Finau
                          0.43 Cane
                          0 Papali'i

                          Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                          1.62 Sititi
                          0.88 Papali'i
                          0.6 Savea
                          0.52 Blackadder
                          0.43 Cane
                          0 Finau, Jacobson

                          Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                          tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                          11.31 Sititi
                          6.8 Savea
                          4.75 Finau
                          3.15 Blackadder
                          2.05 Papali'i
                          1.7 Cane
                          1.06 Jacobson

                          Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                          turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                          4.98 Blackadder
                          4.85 Sititi
                          4.75 Finau
                          3.83 Cane
                          2.34 Papali'i
                          2.27 Savea
                          2.11 Jacobson

                          Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                          6.46 Sititi
                          4.53 Savea
                          0 Finau
                          -0.29 Papali'i
                          -1.05 Jacobson
                          -1.83 Blackadder
                          -2.13 Cane

                          Based on the stats my loose trio:

                          6 Finau
                          7 Savea
                          8 Sititi
                          21 Papali'i

                          * Without consideration of rucks attended

                          Thats a lot of information. Wallace is doing okay on those metrics

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                            Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                            Carries Per 80 Minutes
                            19.39 Sititi
                            16.79 Savea
                            10.85 Finau
                            8.09 Cane
                            7.87 Blackadder
                            4.67 Papali'i
                            2.63 Jacobson

                            Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                            16.17 Cane
                            15.74 Blackadder
                            14.55 Sititi
                            14.24 Finau
                            13.68 Jacobson
                            12.85 Papali'i
                            11.04 Savea

                            Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                            4.85 Sititi
                            4.74 Jacobson
                            2.42 Savea
                            2.10 Blackadder
                            1.36 Finau
                            0.43 Cane
                            0 Papali'i

                            Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                            1.62 Sititi
                            0.88 Papali'i
                            0.6 Savea
                            0.52 Blackadder
                            0.43 Cane
                            0 Finau, Jacobson

                            Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                            tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                            11.31 Sititi
                            6.8 Savea
                            4.75 Finau
                            3.15 Blackadder
                            2.05 Papali'i
                            1.7 Cane
                            1.06 Jacobson

                            Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                            turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                            4.98 Blackadder
                            4.85 Sititi
                            4.75 Finau
                            3.83 Cane
                            2.34 Papali'i
                            2.27 Savea
                            2.11 Jacobson

                            Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                            6.46 Sititi
                            4.53 Savea
                            0 Finau
                            -0.29 Papali'i
                            -1.05 Jacobson
                            -1.83 Blackadder
                            -2.13 Cane

                            Based on those stats my loose trio:

                            6 Finau
                            7 Savea
                            8 Sititi
                            21 Papali'i

                            * Without consideration of rucks attended

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                            Chris
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #6025

                            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                            Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                            Carries Per 80 Minutes
                            19.39 Sititi
                            16.79 Savea
                            10.85 Finau
                            8.09 Cane
                            7.87 Blackadder
                            4.67 Papali'i
                            2.63 Jacobson

                            Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                            16.17 Cane
                            15.74 Blackadder
                            14.55 Sititi
                            14.24 Finau
                            13.68 Jacobson
                            12.85 Papali'i
                            11.04 Savea

                            Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                            4.85 Sititi
                            4.74 Jacobson
                            2.42 Savea
                            2.10 Blackadder
                            1.36 Finau
                            0.43 Cane
                            0 Papali'i

                            Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                            1.62 Sititi
                            0.88 Papali'i
                            0.6 Savea
                            0.52 Blackadder
                            0.43 Cane
                            0 Finau, Jacobson

                            Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                            tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                            11.31 Sititi
                            6.8 Savea
                            4.75 Finau
                            3.15 Blackadder
                            2.05 Papali'i
                            1.7 Cane
                            1.06 Jacobson

                            Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                            turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                            4.98 Blackadder
                            4.85 Sititi
                            4.75 Finau
                            3.83 Cane
                            2.34 Papali'i
                            2.27 Savea
                            2.11 Jacobson

                            Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                            6.46 Sititi
                            4.53 Savea
                            0 Finau
                            -0.29 Papali'i
                            -1.05 Jacobson
                            -1.83 Blackadder
                            -2.13 Papali'i

                            Based on the stats my loose trio:

                            6 Finau
                            7 Savea
                            8 Sititi
                            21 Papali'i

                            * Without consideration of rucks attended

                            Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

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                            • ChrisC Chris

                              @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                              Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                              Carries Per 80 Minutes
                              19.39 Sititi
                              16.79 Savea
                              10.85 Finau
                              8.09 Cane
                              7.87 Blackadder
                              4.67 Papali'i
                              2.63 Jacobson

                              Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                              16.17 Cane
                              15.74 Blackadder
                              14.55 Sititi
                              14.24 Finau
                              13.68 Jacobson
                              12.85 Papali'i
                              11.04 Savea

                              Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                              4.85 Sititi
                              4.74 Jacobson
                              2.42 Savea
                              2.10 Blackadder
                              1.36 Finau
                              0.43 Cane
                              0 Papali'i

                              Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                              1.62 Sititi
                              0.88 Papali'i
                              0.6 Savea
                              0.52 Blackadder
                              0.43 Cane
                              0 Finau, Jacobson

                              Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                              tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                              11.31 Sititi
                              6.8 Savea
                              4.75 Finau
                              3.15 Blackadder
                              2.05 Papali'i
                              1.7 Cane
                              1.06 Jacobson

                              Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                              turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                              4.98 Blackadder
                              4.85 Sititi
                              4.75 Finau
                              3.83 Cane
                              2.34 Papali'i
                              2.27 Savea
                              2.11 Jacobson

                              Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                              6.46 Sititi
                              4.53 Savea
                              0 Finau
                              -0.29 Papali'i
                              -1.05 Jacobson
                              -1.83 Blackadder
                              -2.13 Papali'i

                              Based on the stats my loose trio:

                              6 Finau
                              7 Savea
                              8 Sititi
                              21 Papali'i

                              * Without consideration of rucks attended

                              Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

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                              #6026

                              @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                              @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                              Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                              Carries Per 80 Minutes
                              19.39 Sititi
                              16.79 Savea
                              10.85 Finau
                              8.09 Cane
                              7.87 Blackadder
                              4.67 Papali'i
                              2.63 Jacobson

                              Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                              16.17 Cane
                              15.74 Blackadder
                              14.55 Sititi
                              14.24 Finau
                              13.68 Jacobson
                              12.85 Papali'i
                              11.04 Savea

                              Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                              4.85 Sititi
                              4.74 Jacobson
                              2.42 Savea
                              2.10 Blackadder
                              1.36 Finau
                              0.43 Cane
                              0 Papali'i

                              Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                              1.62 Sititi
                              0.88 Papali'i
                              0.6 Savea
                              0.52 Blackadder
                              0.43 Cane
                              0 Finau, Jacobson

                              Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                              tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                              11.31 Sititi
                              6.8 Savea
                              4.75 Finau
                              3.15 Blackadder
                              2.05 Papali'i
                              1.7 Cane
                              1.06 Jacobson

                              Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                              turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                              4.98 Blackadder
                              4.85 Sititi
                              4.75 Finau
                              3.83 Cane
                              2.34 Papali'i
                              2.27 Savea
                              2.11 Jacobson

                              Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                              6.46 Sititi
                              4.53 Savea
                              0 Finau
                              -0.29 Papali'i
                              -1.05 Jacobson
                              -1.83 Blackadder
                              -2.13 Papali'i

                              Based on the stats my loose trio:

                              6 Finau
                              7 Savea
                              8 Sititi
                              21 Papali'i

                              * Without consideration of rucks attended

                              Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                              They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                              They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

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                              • B brodean

                                @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                19.39 Sititi
                                16.79 Savea
                                10.85 Finau
                                8.09 Cane
                                7.87 Blackadder
                                4.67 Papali'i
                                2.63 Jacobson

                                Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                16.17 Cane
                                15.74 Blackadder
                                14.55 Sititi
                                14.24 Finau
                                13.68 Jacobson
                                12.85 Papali'i
                                11.04 Savea

                                Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                4.85 Sititi
                                4.74 Jacobson
                                2.42 Savea
                                2.10 Blackadder
                                1.36 Finau
                                0.43 Cane
                                0 Papali'i

                                Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                1.62 Sititi
                                0.88 Papali'i
                                0.6 Savea
                                0.52 Blackadder
                                0.43 Cane
                                0 Finau, Jacobson

                                Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                11.31 Sititi
                                6.8 Savea
                                4.75 Finau
                                3.15 Blackadder
                                2.05 Papali'i
                                1.7 Cane
                                1.06 Jacobson

                                Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                4.98 Blackadder
                                4.85 Sititi
                                4.75 Finau
                                3.83 Cane
                                2.34 Papali'i
                                2.27 Savea
                                2.11 Jacobson

                                Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                6.46 Sititi
                                4.53 Savea
                                0 Finau
                                -0.29 Papali'i
                                -1.05 Jacobson
                                -1.83 Blackadder
                                -2.13 Papali'i

                                Based on the stats my loose trio:

                                6 Finau
                                7 Savea
                                8 Sititi
                                21 Papali'i

                                * Without consideration of rucks attended

                                Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                                They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                                They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

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                                Chris
                                wrote on last edited by Chris
                                #6027

                                @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                19.39 Sititi
                                16.79 Savea
                                10.85 Finau
                                8.09 Cane
                                7.87 Blackadder
                                4.67 Papali'i
                                2.63 Jacobson

                                Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                16.17 Cane
                                15.74 Blackadder
                                14.55 Sititi
                                14.24 Finau
                                13.68 Jacobson
                                12.85 Papali'i
                                11.04 Savea

                                Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                4.85 Sititi
                                4.74 Jacobson
                                2.42 Savea
                                2.10 Blackadder
                                1.36 Finau
                                0.43 Cane
                                0 Papali'i

                                Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                1.62 Sititi
                                0.88 Papali'i
                                0.6 Savea
                                0.52 Blackadder
                                0.43 Cane
                                0 Finau, Jacobson

                                Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                11.31 Sititi
                                6.8 Savea
                                4.75 Finau
                                3.15 Blackadder
                                2.05 Papali'i
                                1.7 Cane
                                1.06 Jacobson

                                Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                4.98 Blackadder
                                4.85 Sititi
                                4.75 Finau
                                3.83 Cane
                                2.34 Papali'i
                                2.27 Savea
                                2.11 Jacobson

                                Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                6.46 Sititi
                                4.53 Savea
                                0 Finau
                                -0.29 Papali'i
                                -1.05 Jacobson
                                -1.83 Blackadder
                                -2.13 Papali'i

                                Based on the stats my loose trio:

                                6 Finau
                                7 Savea
                                8 Sititi
                                21 Papali'i

                                * Without consideration of rucks attended

                                Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                                They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                                They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                                But they fit yours aye.
                                Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.
                                Stats are not the be all and end all of what goes on the field its a interpretation of what some one sees.
                                In my job stats do not always tell you a story for selection it is down to circumstances of the game quality of possession, amount of possession how others have performed around you to impact a game.
                                It is not the bible.

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                                • ChrisC Chris

                                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                  Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                  19.39 Sititi
                                  16.79 Savea
                                  10.85 Finau
                                  8.09 Cane
                                  7.87 Blackadder
                                  4.67 Papali'i
                                  2.63 Jacobson

                                  Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                  16.17 Cane
                                  15.74 Blackadder
                                  14.55 Sititi
                                  14.24 Finau
                                  13.68 Jacobson
                                  12.85 Papali'i
                                  11.04 Savea

                                  Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                  4.85 Sititi
                                  4.74 Jacobson
                                  2.42 Savea
                                  2.10 Blackadder
                                  1.36 Finau
                                  0.43 Cane
                                  0 Papali'i

                                  Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                  1.62 Sititi
                                  0.88 Papali'i
                                  0.6 Savea
                                  0.52 Blackadder
                                  0.43 Cane
                                  0 Finau, Jacobson

                                  Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                  tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                  11.31 Sititi
                                  6.8 Savea
                                  4.75 Finau
                                  3.15 Blackadder
                                  2.05 Papali'i
                                  1.7 Cane
                                  1.06 Jacobson

                                  Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                  turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                  4.98 Blackadder
                                  4.85 Sititi
                                  4.75 Finau
                                  3.83 Cane
                                  2.34 Papali'i
                                  2.27 Savea
                                  2.11 Jacobson

                                  Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                  6.46 Sititi
                                  4.53 Savea
                                  0 Finau
                                  -0.29 Papali'i
                                  -1.05 Jacobson
                                  -1.83 Blackadder
                                  -2.13 Papali'i

                                  Based on the stats my loose trio:

                                  6 Finau
                                  7 Savea
                                  8 Sititi
                                  21 Papali'i

                                  * Without consideration of rucks attended

                                  Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                                  They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                                  They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                                  But they fit yours aye.
                                  Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.
                                  Stats are not the be all and end all of what goes on the field its a interpretation of what some one sees.
                                  In my job stats do not always tell you a story for selection it is down to circumstances of the game quality of possession, amount of possession how others have performed around you to impact a game.
                                  It is not the bible.

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                                  brodean
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #6028

                                  @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                  Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                  19.39 Sititi
                                  16.79 Savea
                                  10.85 Finau
                                  8.09 Cane
                                  7.87 Blackadder
                                  4.67 Papali'i
                                  2.63 Jacobson

                                  Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                  16.17 Cane
                                  15.74 Blackadder
                                  14.55 Sititi
                                  14.24 Finau
                                  13.68 Jacobson
                                  12.85 Papali'i
                                  11.04 Savea

                                  Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                  4.85 Sititi
                                  4.74 Jacobson
                                  2.42 Savea
                                  2.10 Blackadder
                                  1.36 Finau
                                  0.43 Cane
                                  0 Papali'i

                                  Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                  1.62 Sititi
                                  0.88 Papali'i
                                  0.6 Savea
                                  0.52 Blackadder
                                  0.43 Cane
                                  0 Finau, Jacobson

                                  Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                  tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                  11.31 Sititi
                                  6.8 Savea
                                  4.75 Finau
                                  3.15 Blackadder
                                  2.05 Papali'i
                                  1.7 Cane
                                  1.06 Jacobson

                                  Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                  turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                  4.98 Blackadder
                                  4.85 Sititi
                                  4.75 Finau
                                  3.83 Cane
                                  2.34 Papali'i
                                  2.27 Savea
                                  2.11 Jacobson

                                  Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                  6.46 Sititi
                                  4.53 Savea
                                  0 Finau
                                  -0.29 Papali'i
                                  -1.05 Jacobson
                                  -1.83 Blackadder
                                  -2.13 Papali'i

                                  Based on the stats my loose trio:

                                  6 Finau
                                  7 Savea
                                  8 Sititi
                                  21 Papali'i

                                  * Without consideration of rucks attended

                                  Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                                  They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                                  They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                                  But they fit yours aye.
                                  Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

                                  This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

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                                    brodean
                                    wrote on last edited by brodean
                                    #6029

                                    My narrative would have Papali'i performing better but it's simply not the case. I think he's gone backwards under Robertson with his general play. His defensive workrate isn't as high but I do think he's been the best loose forward this year at the breakdown.

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                                    • B brodean

                                      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                      Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                      19.39 Sititi
                                      16.79 Savea
                                      10.85 Finau
                                      8.09 Cane
                                      7.87 Blackadder
                                      4.67 Papali'i
                                      2.63 Jacobson

                                      Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                      16.17 Cane
                                      15.74 Blackadder
                                      14.55 Sititi
                                      14.24 Finau
                                      13.68 Jacobson
                                      12.85 Papali'i
                                      11.04 Savea

                                      Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                      4.85 Sititi
                                      4.74 Jacobson
                                      2.42 Savea
                                      2.10 Blackadder
                                      1.36 Finau
                                      0.43 Cane
                                      0 Papali'i

                                      Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                      1.62 Sititi
                                      0.88 Papali'i
                                      0.6 Savea
                                      0.52 Blackadder
                                      0.43 Cane
                                      0 Finau, Jacobson

                                      Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                      tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                      11.31 Sititi
                                      6.8 Savea
                                      4.75 Finau
                                      3.15 Blackadder
                                      2.05 Papali'i
                                      1.7 Cane
                                      1.06 Jacobson

                                      Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                      turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                      4.98 Blackadder
                                      4.85 Sititi
                                      4.75 Finau
                                      3.83 Cane
                                      2.34 Papali'i
                                      2.27 Savea
                                      2.11 Jacobson

                                      Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                      6.46 Sititi
                                      4.53 Savea
                                      0 Finau
                                      -0.29 Papali'i
                                      -1.05 Jacobson
                                      -1.83 Blackadder
                                      -2.13 Papali'i

                                      Based on the stats my loose trio:

                                      6 Finau
                                      7 Savea
                                      8 Sititi
                                      21 Papali'i

                                      * Without consideration of rucks attended

                                      Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                                      They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                                      They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                                      But they fit yours aye.
                                      Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

                                      This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

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                                      Chris
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #6030

                                      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                      Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                      19.39 Sititi
                                      16.79 Savea
                                      10.85 Finau
                                      8.09 Cane
                                      7.87 Blackadder
                                      4.67 Papali'i
                                      2.63 Jacobson

                                      Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                      16.17 Cane
                                      15.74 Blackadder
                                      14.55 Sititi
                                      14.24 Finau
                                      13.68 Jacobson
                                      12.85 Papali'i
                                      11.04 Savea

                                      Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                      4.85 Sititi
                                      4.74 Jacobson
                                      2.42 Savea
                                      2.10 Blackadder
                                      1.36 Finau
                                      0.43 Cane
                                      0 Papali'i

                                      Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                      1.62 Sititi
                                      0.88 Papali'i
                                      0.6 Savea
                                      0.52 Blackadder
                                      0.43 Cane
                                      0 Finau, Jacobson

                                      Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                      tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                      11.31 Sititi
                                      6.8 Savea
                                      4.75 Finau
                                      3.15 Blackadder
                                      2.05 Papali'i
                                      1.7 Cane
                                      1.06 Jacobson

                                      Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                      turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                      4.98 Blackadder
                                      4.85 Sititi
                                      4.75 Finau
                                      3.83 Cane
                                      2.34 Papali'i
                                      2.27 Savea
                                      2.11 Jacobson

                                      Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                      6.46 Sititi
                                      4.53 Savea
                                      0 Finau
                                      -0.29 Papali'i
                                      -1.05 Jacobson
                                      -1.83 Blackadder
                                      -2.13 Papali'i

                                      Based on the stats my loose trio:

                                      6 Finau
                                      7 Savea
                                      8 Sititi
                                      21 Papali'i

                                      * Without consideration of rucks attended

                                      Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                                      They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                                      They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                                      But they fit yours aye.
                                      Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

                                      This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

                                      That's BS

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                                      • ChrisC Chris

                                        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                        Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                        19.39 Sititi
                                        16.79 Savea
                                        10.85 Finau
                                        8.09 Cane
                                        7.87 Blackadder
                                        4.67 Papali'i
                                        2.63 Jacobson

                                        Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                        16.17 Cane
                                        15.74 Blackadder
                                        14.55 Sititi
                                        14.24 Finau
                                        13.68 Jacobson
                                        12.85 Papali'i
                                        11.04 Savea

                                        Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                        4.85 Sititi
                                        4.74 Jacobson
                                        2.42 Savea
                                        2.10 Blackadder
                                        1.36 Finau
                                        0.43 Cane
                                        0 Papali'i

                                        Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                        1.62 Sititi
                                        0.88 Papali'i
                                        0.6 Savea
                                        0.52 Blackadder
                                        0.43 Cane
                                        0 Finau, Jacobson

                                        Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                        tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                        11.31 Sititi
                                        6.8 Savea
                                        4.75 Finau
                                        3.15 Blackadder
                                        2.05 Papali'i
                                        1.7 Cane
                                        1.06 Jacobson

                                        Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                        turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                        4.98 Blackadder
                                        4.85 Sititi
                                        4.75 Finau
                                        3.83 Cane
                                        2.34 Papali'i
                                        2.27 Savea
                                        2.11 Jacobson

                                        Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                        6.46 Sititi
                                        4.53 Savea
                                        0 Finau
                                        -0.29 Papali'i
                                        -1.05 Jacobson
                                        -1.83 Blackadder
                                        -2.13 Papali'i

                                        Based on the stats my loose trio:

                                        6 Finau
                                        7 Savea
                                        8 Sititi
                                        21 Papali'i

                                        * Without consideration of rucks attended

                                        Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                                        They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                                        They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                                        But they fit yours aye.
                                        Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

                                        This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

                                        That's BS

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                                        brodean
                                        wrote on last edited by brodean
                                        #6031

                                        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                        Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                        19.39 Sititi
                                        16.79 Savea
                                        10.85 Finau
                                        8.09 Cane
                                        7.87 Blackadder
                                        4.67 Papali'i
                                        2.63 Jacobson

                                        Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                        16.17 Cane
                                        15.74 Blackadder
                                        14.55 Sititi
                                        14.24 Finau
                                        13.68 Jacobson
                                        12.85 Papali'i
                                        11.04 Savea

                                        Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                        4.85 Sititi
                                        4.74 Jacobson
                                        2.42 Savea
                                        2.10 Blackadder
                                        1.36 Finau
                                        0.43 Cane
                                        0 Papali'i

                                        Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                        1.62 Sititi
                                        0.88 Papali'i
                                        0.6 Savea
                                        0.52 Blackadder
                                        0.43 Cane
                                        0 Finau, Jacobson

                                        Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                        tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                        11.31 Sititi
                                        6.8 Savea
                                        4.75 Finau
                                        3.15 Blackadder
                                        2.05 Papali'i
                                        1.7 Cane
                                        1.06 Jacobson

                                        Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                        turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                        4.98 Blackadder
                                        4.85 Sititi
                                        4.75 Finau
                                        3.83 Cane
                                        2.34 Papali'i
                                        2.27 Savea
                                        2.11 Jacobson

                                        Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                        6.46 Sititi
                                        4.53 Savea
                                        0 Finau
                                        -0.29 Papali'i
                                        -1.05 Jacobson
                                        -1.83 Blackadder
                                        -2.13 Papali'i

                                        Based on the stats my loose trio:

                                        6 Finau
                                        7 Savea
                                        8 Sititi
                                        21 Papali'i

                                        * Without consideration of rucks attended

                                        Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                                        They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                                        They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                                        But they fit yours aye.
                                        Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

                                        This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

                                        That's BS

                                        Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.

                                        The fiddling at 6 has been poor.

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                                        • B brodean

                                          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                          Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                          19.39 Sititi
                                          16.79 Savea
                                          10.85 Finau
                                          8.09 Cane
                                          7.87 Blackadder
                                          4.67 Papali'i
                                          2.63 Jacobson

                                          Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                          16.17 Cane
                                          15.74 Blackadder
                                          14.55 Sititi
                                          14.24 Finau
                                          13.68 Jacobson
                                          12.85 Papali'i
                                          11.04 Savea

                                          Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                          4.85 Sititi
                                          4.74 Jacobson
                                          2.42 Savea
                                          2.10 Blackadder
                                          1.36 Finau
                                          0.43 Cane
                                          0 Papali'i

                                          Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                          1.62 Sititi
                                          0.88 Papali'i
                                          0.6 Savea
                                          0.52 Blackadder
                                          0.43 Cane
                                          0 Finau, Jacobson

                                          Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                          tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                          11.31 Sititi
                                          6.8 Savea
                                          4.75 Finau
                                          3.15 Blackadder
                                          2.05 Papali'i
                                          1.7 Cane
                                          1.06 Jacobson

                                          Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                          turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                          4.98 Blackadder
                                          4.85 Sititi
                                          4.75 Finau
                                          3.83 Cane
                                          2.34 Papali'i
                                          2.27 Savea
                                          2.11 Jacobson

                                          Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                          6.46 Sititi
                                          4.53 Savea
                                          0 Finau
                                          -0.29 Papali'i
                                          -1.05 Jacobson
                                          -1.83 Blackadder
                                          -2.13 Papali'i

                                          Based on the stats my loose trio:

                                          6 Finau
                                          7 Savea
                                          8 Sititi
                                          21 Papali'i

                                          * Without consideration of rucks attended

                                          Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                                          They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                                          They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                                          But they fit yours aye.
                                          Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

                                          This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

                                          That's BS

                                          Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.

                                          The fiddling at 6 has been poor.

                                          ChrisC Online
                                          ChrisC Online
                                          Chris
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #6032

                                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                          Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                          19.39 Sititi
                                          16.79 Savea
                                          10.85 Finau
                                          8.09 Cane
                                          7.87 Blackadder
                                          4.67 Papali'i
                                          2.63 Jacobson

                                          Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                          16.17 Cane
                                          15.74 Blackadder
                                          14.55 Sititi
                                          14.24 Finau
                                          13.68 Jacobson
                                          12.85 Papali'i
                                          11.04 Savea

                                          Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                          4.85 Sititi
                                          4.74 Jacobson
                                          2.42 Savea
                                          2.10 Blackadder
                                          1.36 Finau
                                          0.43 Cane
                                          0 Papali'i

                                          Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                          1.62 Sititi
                                          0.88 Papali'i
                                          0.6 Savea
                                          0.52 Blackadder
                                          0.43 Cane
                                          0 Finau, Jacobson

                                          Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                          tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                          11.31 Sititi
                                          6.8 Savea
                                          4.75 Finau
                                          3.15 Blackadder
                                          2.05 Papali'i
                                          1.7 Cane
                                          1.06 Jacobson

                                          Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                          turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                          4.98 Blackadder
                                          4.85 Sititi
                                          4.75 Finau
                                          3.83 Cane
                                          2.34 Papali'i
                                          2.27 Savea
                                          2.11 Jacobson

                                          Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                          6.46 Sititi
                                          4.53 Savea
                                          0 Finau
                                          -0.29 Papali'i
                                          -1.05 Jacobson
                                          -1.83 Blackadder
                                          -2.13 Papali'i

                                          Based on the stats my loose trio:

                                          6 Finau
                                          7 Savea
                                          8 Sititi
                                          21 Papali'i

                                          * Without consideration of rucks attended

                                          Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                                          They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                                          They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                                          But they fit yours aye.
                                          Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

                                          This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

                                          That's BS

                                          Go back and watch him in the games.

                                          Fuck me I have more than once he was average as hell.

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