All Blacks 2024
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I’m guessing rightly or wrongly razor went into selecting his loosies based on opinions he already had about certain players from his coaching for and against during super rugby .
So for example if he coached the crusaders to get the better of the blues in his time , particularly in the forwards , those opinions were set in stone before 2024 kicked off .
Just a hunch .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
I’m guessing rightly or wrongly razor went into selecting his loosies based on opinions he already had about certain players from his coaching for and against during super rugby .
So for example if he coached the crusaders to get the better of the blues in his time , particularly in the forwards , those opinions were set in stone before 2024 kicked off .
Just a hunch .
Forget Ioane and Sotutu, Cullen Grace is definitely the most unlucky guy to miss out
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
Any injury ravaged player from any other franchise, with no recent form or any body of work in black, would never have made this squad. Given that, the scrutiny on his performances given who he was selected ahead of at 6 is warranted. Yes a number of other players have under performed, but at least they were selected on either recent form or their body of work in black (e.g. Ardie). Blackadder had neither, and given his performances to date, people are rightly asking the question as to why he was preferred over other players in career best form.
He's played better than Finau (who was given the 2 first starts against England in the A team), and Jacobson, so the selection questions now should be directed at them in my opinion. There are only a couple of posts questioning them being there, and heaps around Blackadder.
As I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have picked Blackadder initially. In my opinion now, he's been well worth his place. Who hasn't: Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Jacobson, Finau, TJP, Christie, Jordie, Rieko, Telea, Reece, Jordan, Beauden. Arguably Savea too. Yet Blackadder cops more shit than the rest of them combined? That's just fucken weird.I'll try one more time, not sure if I'm being clear enough.
All of the players you listed were picked on recent form or previous performances in black, their selections have not fucked with the balance of their positions, and there were no real clear or obvious better players to pick. On the flipside, Blackadder was picked on the back of no recent form as he's been injured so much, and no previous stand out performances in black. On top of that, his selection has fucked the balance of the loose forwards as we already have a stack of players like him in other positions, and he's been picked ahead of a player who was in career best form, had just finished dominating the other loosies selected in the squad in the finals of SR, and has had dominant performances in black in the past. Blackadder was then fast tracked into the starting lineup as soon as he was fit.
So given all of that, there is nothing weird about the focus on him. It was a clearly biased selection, and if that selection was to be justified then he'd better play the fucking house down. Against the might of a weakened Fiji team he looked well off the pace, and his subsequent performances have been OK without having any real impact on the game. So his selection has not been justified at all, and a lot of All Black fans (outside of Canterbury) are frustrated by it given our biggest weakness right now is our loosies.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
Any injury ravaged player from any other franchise, with no recent form or any body of work in black, would never have made this squad. Given that, the scrutiny on his performances given who he was selected ahead of at 6 is warranted. Yes a number of other players have under performed, but at least they were selected on either recent form or their body of work in black (e.g. Ardie). Blackadder had neither, and given his performances to date, people are rightly asking the question as to why he was preferred over other players in career best form.
He's played better than Finau (who was given the 2 first starts against England in the A team), and Jacobson, so the selection questions now should be directed at them in my opinion. There are only a couple of posts questioning them being there, and heaps around Blackadder.
As I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have picked Blackadder initially. In my opinion now, he's been well worth his place. Who hasn't: Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Jacobson, Finau, TJP, Christie, Jordie, Rieko, Telea, Reece, Jordan, Beauden. Arguably Savea too. Yet Blackadder cops more shit than the rest of them combined? That's just fucken weird.I'll try one more time, not sure if I'm being clear enough.
All of the players you listed were picked on recent form or previous performances in black, their selections have not fucked with the balance of their positions, and there were no real clear or obvious better players to pick. On the flipside, Blackadder was picked on the back of no recent form as he's been injured so much, and no previous stand out performances in black. On top of that, his selection has fucked the balance of the loose forwards as we already have a stack of players like him in other positions, and he's been picked ahead of a player who was in career best form, had just finished dominating the other loosies selected in the squad in the finals of SR, and has had dominant performances in black in the past. Blackadder was then fast tracked into the starting lineup as soon as he was fit.
So given all of that, there is nothing weird about the focus on him. It was a clearly biased selection, and if that selection was to be justified then he'd better play the fucking house down. Against the might of a weakened Fiji team he looked well off the pace, and his subsequent performances have been OK without having any real impact on the game. So his selection has not been justified at all, and a lot of All Black fans (outside of Canterbury) are frustrated by it given our biggest weakness right now is our loosies.
Agreed.
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Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 CaneBased on those stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
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Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 CaneBased on those stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 CaneBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Thats a lot of information. Wallace is doing okay on those metrics
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Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 CaneBased on those stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.
Stats are not the be all and end all of what goes on the field its a interpretation of what some one sees.
In my job stats do not always tell you a story for selection it is down to circumstances of the game quality of possession, amount of possession how others have performed around you to impact a game.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.
Stats are not the be all and end all of what goes on the field its a interpretation of what some one sees.
In my job stats do not always tell you a story for selection it is down to circumstances of the game quality of possession, amount of possession how others have performed around you to impact a game.
It is not the bible.@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.
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My narrative would have Papali'i performing better but it's simply not the case. I think he's gone backwards under Robertson with his general play. His defensive workrate isn't as high but I do think he's been the best loose forward this year at the breakdown.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.
That's BS
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.
That's BS
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.
That's BS
Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.
The fiddling at 6 has been poor.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.
That's BS
Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.
The fiddling at 6 has been poor.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.
That's BS
Go back and watch him in the games.
Fuck me I have more than once he was average as hell.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.
That's BS
Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.
The fiddling at 6 has been poor.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )
Carries Per 80 Minutes
19.39 Sititi
16.79 Savea
10.85 Finau
8.09 Cane
7.87 Blackadder
4.67 Papali'i
2.63 JacobsonTackers Per 80 Minutes
16.17 Cane
15.74 Blackadder
14.55 Sititi
14.24 Finau
13.68 Jacobson
12.85 Papali'i
11.04 SaveaLineouts Per 80 Minutes
4.85 Sititi
4.74 Jacobson
2.42 Savea
2.10 Blackadder
1.36 Finau
0.43 Cane
0 Papali'iTurnovers won per 80 minutes
1.62 Sititi
0.88 Papali'i
0.6 Savea
0.52 Blackadder
0.43 Cane
0 Finau, JacobsonTotal Impacts Per 80 Minutes
tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
11.31 Sititi
6.8 Savea
4.75 Finau
3.15 Blackadder
2.05 Papali'i
1.7 Cane
1.06 JacobsonTotal Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
4.98 Blackadder
4.85 Sititi
4.75 Finau
3.83 Cane
2.34 Papali'i
2.27 Savea
2.11 JacobsonNet Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
6.46 Sititi
4.53 Savea
0 Finau
-0.29 Papali'i
-1.05 Jacobson
-1.83 Blackadder
-2.13 Papali'iBased on the stats my loose trio:
6 Finau
7 Savea
8 Sititi
21 Papali'i* Without consideration of rucks attended
Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.
They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.
They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.
But they fit yours aye.
Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.
That's BS
Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.
The fiddling at 6 has been poor.
Ohh now it is Scott Barret's fault Finau was poor and got dropped. I see everyone's fault but Finau's.
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FFS, the cult of anti-EB has hit new highs. Waste of time conversing with the religiously obsessed. Nutters!
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It was a bit like this when Akira/Frizzel occupied the No.6 spot as well. What is it about this position?
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It was a bit like this when Akira/Frizzel occupied the No.6 spot as well. What is it about this position?
@Old-Samurai-Jack all Jerome Kaino's fault, he shouldnt have gotten older and retired.
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They invest 3 full games in Blackadder to get him up to match fitness and then he gets injured. He made a lot of missed tackles and gave away a lot of penalties.
He's a liability.
If you don't want Finau put Vaa'i at 6. Vaa'i is just as athletic as the last two Bok blindsides.
Blackadder is a broken donkey like Cane was for Foster. There is so much more talent in NZ rugby and Foster then Robertson pick cart horses who are too slow and always broken.
It's like those two coaches want to bang their heads against walls and lose.
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They invest 3 full games in Blackadder to get him up to match fitness and then he gets injured. He made a lot of missed tackles and gave away a lot of penalties.
He's a liability.
If you don't want Finau put Vaa'i at 6. Vaa'i is just as athletic as the last two Bok blindsides.
Blackadder is a broken donkey like Cane was for Foster. There is so much more talent in NZ rugby and Foster then Robertson pick cart horses who are too slow and always broken.
It's like those two coaches want to bang their heads against walls and lose.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
like those two coaches want to bang their heads against walls and lose
But they picked Wallis, and not Iose. Maybe he should be in the picture too. Akira is signed overseas.
I found the (non) usage of Finau by the coaches rather strange. Standing on the sideline positioned for the contestable kicks that never came, and seemingly not being called by Barrett in the lineouts, when EB regularly is when playing 6. -
It was a bit like this when Akira/Frizzel occupied the No.6 spot as well. What is it about this position?
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
It was a bit like this when Akira/Frizzel occupied the No.6 spot as well. What is it about this position?
It is a bit odd how 12 has had a comparative free ride considering none of SBW, Crotty, J Barrett etc have measured up to Nonus legacy…..
I started typing this and then remembered David Havili who is basically a less injury prone version of Ethan Blackadder for the backs.
