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  • Windows97W Offline
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    10 new players, but Sititi is the only one in the starting XV and even then being played out of position to favour the old war horses.

    The reluctance to blood new players this year has left me baffled.

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      i feel like the NZ rugby media is trying to gaslight me

      Paul Cully did a World XV article today, and put the "consistently excellent" Ardie Savea in it. At openside. The fuck?
      He also added Wallace Sititi, which in itself is not a terrible call, but at #8?

      Apparently Rob Valetini doesn't exist aye Paul?

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        Ardie Savea hasn't been any where near as bad as what people have made out.

        However after watching the last two Irish games I think you'd have to be having a laugh to pick him at 7 over JVDF.

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        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

          Whilst Newell is a good scrummager - his scrummaging at test level doesn't seem to generate penalties the way it does at Super.

          Given Newell is poor around the field I don't think the trade off is worth it at test level.

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          @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

          Whilst Newell is a good scrummager - his scrummaging at test level doesn't seem to generate penalties the way it does at Super.

          Given Newell is poor around the field I don't think the trade off is worth it at test level.

          Newell is a good cleaner and tackler. Like De Groot and Lomax he offers little to nothing as a carrier.

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            i feel like the NZ rugby media is trying to gaslight me

            Paul Cully did a World XV article today, and put the "consistently excellent" Ardie Savea in it. At openside. The fuck?
            He also added Wallace Sititi, which in itself is not a terrible call, but at #8?

            Apparently Rob Valetini doesn't exist aye Paul?

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            Kiwiwomble
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            @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:

            i feel like the NZ rugby media is trying to gaslight me

            Paul Cully did a World XV article today, and put the "consistently excellent" Ardie Savea in it. At openside. The fuck?
            He also added Wallace Sititi, which in itself is not a terrible call, but at #8?

            Apparently Rob Valetini doesn't exist aye Paul?

            i had a discussion with someone this week who insisted "everyone" knows BB has been consistently excellent this year.....i feel like im going insane

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            • B brodean

              Ardie Savea hasn't been any where near as bad as what people have made out.

              However after watching the last two Irish games I think you'd have to be having a laugh to pick him at 7 over JVDF.

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              @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

              Ardie Savea hasn't been any where near as bad as what people have made out.

              hard disagree

              And the season's MotM polling seems to suggest i am far from alone.

              Savea right now has a total of 2 points. For a guy who is the VC, started and played 80 in every test bar Fiji and Japan, and plays in a high profile position, that's about as underwhelming as it gets.
              The only loose forward with less points is Ethan Blackadder.

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                Ardie Savea hasn't been any where near as bad as what people have made out.

                hard disagree

                And the season's MotM polling seems to suggest i am far from alone.

                Savea right now has a total of 2 points. For a guy who is the VC, started and played 80 in every test bar Fiji and Japan, and plays in a high profile position, that's about as underwhelming as it gets.
                The only loose forward with less points is Ethan Blackadder.

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                Kiwiwomble
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                @mariner4life dont forget a player that was the road block to the super rugby players of the year getting a run for the AB's

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                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                  i feel like the NZ rugby media is trying to gaslight me

                  Paul Cully did a World XV article today, and put the "consistently excellent" Ardie Savea in it. At openside. The fuck?
                  He also added Wallace Sititi, which in itself is not a terrible call, but at #8?

                  Apparently Rob Valetini doesn't exist aye Paul?

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                  #7018

                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                  i feel like the NZ rugby media is trying to gaslight me

                  Paul Cully did a World XV article today, and put the "consistently excellent" Ardie Savea in it. At openside. The fuck?
                  He also added Wallace Sititi, which in itself is not a terrible call, but at #8?

                  Apparently Rob Valetini doesn't exist aye Paul?

                  Was thinking that it's getting near time to do the TSF TOTY and thinking there'd not be many All Blacks getting nominated.

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                    Ardie Savea hasn't been any where near as bad as what people have made out.

                    hard disagree

                    And the season's MotM polling seems to suggest i am far from alone.

                    Savea right now has a total of 2 points. For a guy who is the VC, started and played 80 in every test bar Fiji and Japan, and plays in a high profile position, that's about as underwhelming as it gets.
                    The only loose forward with less points is Ethan Blackadder.

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                    taniwharugby
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                    @mariner4life yep, although, most pundits that arent Kiwis seem to think he has played well this year

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                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                      @mariner4life yep, although, most pundits that arent Kiwis seem to think he has played well this year

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                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @mariner4life yep, although, most pundits that arent Kiwis seem to think he has played well this year

                      im not convinced overseas commenters aren't only watching the highlights

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                      • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @mariner4life yep, although, most pundits that arent Kiwis seem to think he has played well this year

                        im not convinced overseas commenters aren't only watching the highlights

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                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @mariner4life yep, although, most pundits that arent Kiwis seem to think he has played well this year

                        im not convinced overseas commenters aren't only watching the highlights

                        there haven't exactly been a lot of those this year. certainly not like in previous years

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                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                          @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:

                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                          @mariner4life yep, although, most pundits that arent Kiwis seem to think he has played well this year

                          im not convinced overseas commenters aren't only watching the highlights

                          there haven't exactly been a lot of those this year. certainly not like in previous years

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                          @mariner4life true, i guess also just easy to fill some column space saying last years world player of the year is doing well again

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                          • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                            @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @mariner4life yep, although, most pundits that arent Kiwis seem to think he has played well this year

                            im not convinced overseas commenters aren't only watching the highlights

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                            taniwharugby
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                            @Kiwiwomble I don't doubt that for some, but not all.

                            He certainly hasn't been at his YouTube reel best this year.

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                              Reposting this to ask the question again, how the fuck is Reece in the squad, he is absolute dog-shit. Look at how slow he is here:

                              https://twitter.com/GauthierBaudin/status/1858047763058954581

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                              • TimT Tim

                                Reposting this to ask the question again, how the fuck is Reece in the squad, he is absolute dog-shit. Look at how slow he is here:

                                https://twitter.com/GauthierBaudin/status/1858047763058954581

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                                sparky
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                                #7025

                                @Tim Sevu Reece was worth his place in the squad between 2019 and 2021, but he's slowed since and has limited impact in his last 15 or so Tests. It's a real shame that he has been picked ahead of younger, faster talent.

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                                • TimT Tim

                                  Reposting this to ask the question again, how the fuck is Reece in the squad, he is absolute dog-shit. Look at how slow he is here:

                                  https://twitter.com/GauthierBaudin/status/1858047763058954581

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                                  @Tim ALB was much faster. Looks like we've got our Kahui for 27.

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                                    #7027

                                    Kinda looked like Owen Franks running back in cover

                                    How is Reece at scrummaging ?

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                                    • BonesB Bones

                                      @Tim ALB was much faster. Looks like we've got our Kahui for 27.

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                                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @Tim ALB was much faster. Looks like we've got our Kahui for 27.

                                      He wishes.

                                      Kahui was a terrific player, crikey I miss him. If Conrad Smith didn’t exist and he’d avoided injury he’d have got over 100 caps.

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                                      • African MonkeyA African Monkey

                                        @stodders said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        Georgia’s Niniashvili is the fullback AB fans wish Will Jordan would be.

                                        Check out the try he just created against Italy. Wow!

                                        Jordan is not the answer at 15 for me. Right wing, he is elite. So premier NZ back 3 is 11. Clarke 14. Jordan 15. TBD

                                        2025 is the year to find a fullback!

                                        Ruben Love is an obvious choice for me when fit.

                                        Agree that Jordan needs to go back to the wing.

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                                        @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @stodders said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        Georgia’s Niniashvili is the fullback AB fans wish Will Jordan would be.

                                        Check out the try he just created against Italy. Wow!

                                        Jordan is not the answer at 15 for me. Right wing, he is elite. So premier NZ back 3 is 11. Clarke 14. Jordan 15. TBD

                                        2025 is the year to find a fullback!

                                        Ruben Love is an obvious choice for me when fit.

                                        Agree that Jordan needs to go back to the wing.

                                        I think it is fair to give Jordan more time at fullback next year as he came into the AB season undercooked after missing super rugby.

                                        But I do agree, at this stage it seems he serves the team better at 14 at the moment.

                                        I would like to see Rueben Love get a run at fullback.

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                                        • Windows97W Windows97

                                          10 new players, but Sititi is the only one in the starting XV and even then being played out of position to favour the old war horses.

                                          The reluctance to blood new players this year has left me baffled.

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                                          @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          10 new players, but Sititi is the only one in the starting XV and even then being played out of position to favour the old war horses.

                                          The reluctance to blood new players this year has left me baffled.

                                          We have been told for a while now that super rugby isn’t getting players ready
                                          For test rugby. Is supporters have accepted that as true.

                                          However the debutants this year have done very well
                                          In international rugby so we should learn the lesson that form
                                          Players from super rugby should, by and large, do well when they take the step up to international rugby.

                                          We have the talent in NZ to build a high quality AB squad over the next 12-24 months

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