All Blacks 2024
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It's been a season marred by awful selections, a game plan that hasn't worked in at least 10 years, strong Crusader bias (type of thing you'd see in amateur teams not professional), anti-Blues bias despite them being the best team in Super, form players from other franchises like the Canes barely getting a look in, and now this wanking on about selecting overseas players continues. And the worst part about the overseas players request is that there is not a single player playing outside of NZ that is actually better than what we have here already. And worse still, it's centered around a player that could never properly make the step up to test footy after 60 odd caps!
At this stage I would be fine if NZR got rid of Razor over the summer and went out to market again to look for a coach with international experience that can get the best out of our players. It's very clear we do have the cattle to take back the No.1 spot, but we don't have the coaches.
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I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
I have been saying exactly that but the other way around. My glass is obviously half full.
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It's been a season marred by awful selections, a game plan that hasn't worked in at least 10 years, strong Crusader bias (type of thing you'd see in amateur teams not professional), anti-Blues bias despite them being the best team in Super, form players from other franchises like the Canes barely getting a look in, and now this wanking on about selecting overseas players continues. And the worst part about the overseas players request is that there is not a single player playing outside of NZ that is actually better than what we have here already. And worse still, it's centered around a player that could never properly make the step up to test footy after 60 odd caps!
At this stage I would be fine if NZR got rid of Razor over the summer and went out to market again to look for a coach with international experience that can get the best out of our players. It's very clear we do have the cattle to take back the No.1 spot, but we don't have the coaches.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
At this stage I would be fine if NZR got rid of Razor over the summer and went out to market again to look for a coach with international experience that can get the best out of our players. It's very clear we do have the cattle to take back the No.1 spot, but we don't have the coaches.
Warren Gatland just asked for your number!
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Jack Goodhue
I have not heard, read or seen any substance to overtures being made.That is a bit of a pie in the sky comment.
To be fair if you have watched any of LF s games for Toulon he has been very good although it has been at Centre.I think the midfield is his future. Think he'd make a good 12 tbh and would love to see him tried there for the Crusaders.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Jack Goodhue
I have not heard, read or seen any substance to overtures being made.That is a bit of a pie in the sky comment.
To be fair if you have watched any of LF s games for Toulon he has been very good although it has been at Centre.I think the midfield is his future. Think he'd make a good 12 tbh and would love to see him tried there for the Crusaders.
He might even be as good as Lam, not that it matters for selection.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
At this stage I would be fine if NZR got rid of Razor over the summer and went out to market again to look for a coach with international experience that can get the best out of our players. It's very clear we do have the cattle to take back the No.1 spot, but we don't have the coaches.
Warren Gatland just asked for your number!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
At this stage I would be fine if NZR got rid of Razor over the summer and went out to market again to look for a coach with international experience that can get the best out of our players. It's very clear we do have the cattle to take back the No.1 spot, but we don't have the coaches.
Warren Gatland just asked for your number!
Let's just totally set the dumpster on fire and pair him with this guy
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
At this stage I would be fine if NZR got rid of Razor over the summer and went out to market again to look for a coach with international experience that can get the best out of our players. It's very clear we do have the cattle to take back the No.1 spot, but we don't have the coaches.
Warren Gatland just asked for your number!
Let's just totally set the dumpster on fire and pair him with this guy
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
At this stage I would be fine if NZR got rid of Razor over the summer and went out to market again to look for a coach with international experience that can get the best out of our players. It's very clear we do have the cattle to take back the No.1 spot, but we don't have the coaches.
Warren Gatland just asked for your number!
Let's just totally set the dumpster on fire and pair him with this guy
We need a team manager for this journey.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/John_Mitchell_cropped.JPG
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
At this stage I would be fine if NZR got rid of Razor over the summer and went out to market again to look for a coach with international experience that can get the best out of our players. It's very clear we do have the cattle to take back the No.1 spot, but we don't have the coaches.
Warren Gatland just asked for your number!
Let's just totally set the dumpster on fire and pair him with this guy
We need a team manager for this journey.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/John_Mitchell_cropped.JPG
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia There's a man on a ten match winning streak!
I think he's intently looking at how Will Jordan holds the ball and deciding which midfielders he's going to replace him with at fullback.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia There's a man on a ten match winning streak!
I think he's intently looking at how Will Jordan holds the ball and deciding which midfielders he's going to replace him with at fullback.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia There's a man on a ten match winning streak!
I think he's intently looking at how Will Jordan holds the ball and deciding which midfielders he's going to replace him with at fullback.
Very tightly if in space with support, very loosely if getting tackled.
Couldn't resist.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia There's a man on a ten match winning streak!
I think he's intently looking at how Will Jordan holds the ball and deciding which midfielders he's going to replace him with at fullback.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia There's a man on a ten match winning streak!
I think he's intently looking at how Will Jordan holds the ball and deciding which midfielders he's going to replace him with at fullback.
Probably shift him to centre.
No, that was Harty!
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia There's a man on a ten match winning streak!
I think he's intently looking at how Will Jordan holds the ball and deciding which midfielders he's going to replace him with at fullback.
Very tightly if in space with support, very loosely if getting tackled.
Couldn't resist.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia There's a man on a ten match winning streak!
I think he's intently looking at how Will Jordan holds the ball and deciding which midfielders he's going to replace him with at fullback.
Very tightly if in space with support, very loosely if getting tackled.
Couldn't resist.
JDS
Jordan Derangement Syndrome.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia There's a man on a ten match winning streak!
I think he's intently looking at how Will Jordan holds the ball and deciding which midfielders he's going to replace him with at fullback.
Very tightly if in space with support, very loosely if getting tackled.
Couldn't resist.
JDS
Jordan Derangement Syndrome.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia There's a man on a ten match winning streak!
I think he's intently looking at how Will Jordan holds the ball and deciding which midfielders he's going to replace him with at fullback.
Very tightly if in space with support, very loosely if getting tackled.
Couldn't resist.
JDS
Jordan Derangement Syndrome.
If the reverse jinx doesn't work, keep doubling down.
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It's been a season marred by awful selections, a game plan that hasn't worked in at least 10 years, strong Crusader bias (type of thing you'd see in amateur teams not professional), anti-Blues bias despite them being the best team in Super, form players from other franchises like the Canes barely getting a look in, and now this wanking on about selecting overseas players continues. And the worst part about the overseas players request is that there is not a single player playing outside of NZ that is actually better than what we have here already. And worse still, it's centered around a player that could never properly make the step up to test footy after 60 odd caps!
At this stage I would be fine if NZR got rid of Razor over the summer and went out to market again to look for a coach with international experience that can get the best out of our players. It's very clear we do have the cattle to take back the No.1 spot, but we don't have the coaches.
@No-Quarter I pretty much agree with yr sentiments. I was always a bit dubious about Robertson, given his narrow experience but you couldn't argue he fully deserved a chance.
Where I don't back you up is on the notion of potentially binning him after one season. To me that smacks of football managers in the EPL and I wouldn't want NZR to go down that route. He did have a tough set of opponents. The Argie loss apart results have been broadly what I expected. It's more his intransigence and apparent lack of coaching nous that concerns me. It seems it's all about the vibe. However, I am firmly in favour of giving him the chance to learn from is mistakes. If he doesn't then it's time to roll out Mme Guillotine this time next year.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
Ah yes, the Port Hills Massive
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
Ah yes, the
Port HillsSumner Rugby Club MassiveFIFY
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@No-Quarter I pretty much agree with yr sentiments. I was always a bit dubious about Robertson, given his narrow experience but you couldn't argue he fully deserved a chance.
Where I don't back you up is on the notion of potentially binning him after one season. To me that smacks of football managers in the EPL and I wouldn't want NZR to go down that route. He did have a tough set of opponents. The Argie loss apart results have been broadly what I expected. It's more his intransigence and apparent lack of coaching nous that concerns me. It seems it's all about the vibe. However, I am firmly in favour of giving him the chance to learn from is mistakes. If he doesn't then it's time to roll out Mme Guillotine this time next year.
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2024:
It's more his intransigence and apparent lack of coaching nous that concerns me.
That is what has really surprised me.
Always thought he'd struggle initially (despite his fluffers claiming there was no difference in SR Test coaching) and take a few Tests to come right, but the continuing inconsistency and lack of player development together with his hankering for mediocre overseas players - at the end of the season - has been really unexpected.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
Ah yes, the
Port HillsSumner Rugby Club MassiveFIFY
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
Ah yes, the
Port HillsSumner Rugby Club MassiveFIFY
It did occur to me to change it. But it's more of a red n black army thing I guess? Thanks for the edit
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2024:
It's more his intransigence and apparent lack of coaching nous that concerns me.
That is what has really surprised me.
Always thought he'd struggle initially (despite his fluffers claiming there was no difference in SR Test coaching) and take a few Tests to come right, but the continuing inconsistency and lack of player development together with his hankering for mediocre overseas players - at the end of the season - has been really unexpected.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2024:
It's more his intransigence and apparent lack of coaching nous that concerns me.
That is what has really surprised me.
Always thought he'd struggle initially (despite his fluffers claiming there was no difference in SR Test coaching) and take a few Tests to come right, but the continuing inconsistency and lack of player development together with his hankering for mediocre overseas players - at the end of the season - has been really unexpected.
His reputation for being a players' coach, and an innovator have not been apparent. Yet. Watched Scott Hansen on Aotearoa Rugby Pod last night. Boy he spouts some shit when you actually listen. It's all layers, and shit
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
Ah yes, the
Port HillsSumner Rugby Club MassiveFIFY
It did occur to me to change it. But it's more of a red n black army thing I guess? Thanks for the edit
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
Ah yes, the
Port HillsSumner Rugby Club MassiveFIFY
It did occur to me to change it. But it's more of a red n black army thing I guess? Thanks for the edit
It always made me chuckle when his fluffers pointed to his success with the Sumner U13's as proof of his international coaching credentials....
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2024:
It's more his intransigence and apparent lack of coaching nous that concerns me.
That is what has really surprised me.
Always thought he'd struggle initially (despite his fluffers claiming there was no difference in SR Test coaching) and take a few Tests to come right, but the continuing inconsistency and lack of player development together with his hankering for mediocre overseas players - at the end of the season - has been really unexpected.
His reputation for being a players' coach, and an innovator have not been apparent. Yet. Watched Scott Hansen on Aotearoa Rugby Pod last night. Boy he spouts some shit when you actually listen. It's all layers, and shit
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2024:
It's more his intransigence and apparent lack of coaching nous that concerns me.
That is what has really surprised me.
Always thought he'd struggle initially (despite his fluffers claiming there was no difference in SR Test coaching) and take a few Tests to come right, but the continuing inconsistency and lack of player development together with his hankering for mediocre overseas players - at the end of the season - has been really unexpected.
His reputation for being a players' coach, and an innovator have not been apparent. Yet. Watched Scott Hansen on Aotearoa Rugby Pod last night. Boy he spouts some shit when you actually listen. It's all layers, and shit
I hope that off-season he or someone at NZR takes a good long look at things to see what the real problems are, Someone experienced and from outside like Cotter would provide some good honest input and support.
Another year like this one would be a real waste
