Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s
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Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
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Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them
Looks like he's only had one start at 10 (maybe he moved there late in other games?)
It was early in SR 2020 against the Chiefs. The Chiefs won 25-15
From memory he looked good in the first half (and TJ was furiously masterbating) then he faded in the second half
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@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them
Looks like he's only had one start at 10 (maybe he moved there late in other games?)
It was early in SR 2020 against the Chiefs. The Chiefs won 25-15
From memory he looked good in the first half (and TJ was furiously masterbating) then he faded in the second half
@Duluth said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them
Looks like he's only had one start at 10 (maybe he moved there late in other games?)
That's quite possible. My memory is that whenever Dave's been at 10, we've lost - and that it's been more than once.
I'm pretty sure he's never started at 10 for the Mako (or, more accurately, I don't remember it happening), so it's a pretty thin body of work to even be mentioned as an option for the Crusaders, let alone the ABs.
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@Duluth said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them
Looks like he's only had one start at 10 (maybe he moved there late in other games?)
That's quite possible. My memory is that whenever Dave's been at 10, we've lost - and that it's been more than once.
I'm pretty sure he's never started at 10 for the Mako (or, more accurately, I don't remember it happening), so it's a pretty thin body of work to even be mentioned as an option for the Crusaders, let alone the ABs.
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
so it's a pretty thin body of work to even be mentioned as an option for the Crusaders, let alone the ABs.
I agree
However the rumour is that he'll have first shot at the Crusaders. If you are starting regularly for a SR side you aren't that far away.
Only 5 SR sides & the ABs will pick 3 10's
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@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
so it's a pretty thin body of work to even be mentioned as an option for the Crusaders, let alone the ABs.
I agree
However the rumour is that he'll have first shot at the Crusaders. If you are starting regularly for a SR side you aren't that far away.
Only 5 SR sides & the ABs will pick 3 10's
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@Duluth That's a rumour I don't really believe.
I think they'll give the young first fives first go and would only go to DH if they completely self-destruct.
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Duluth That's a rumour I don't really believe.
I think they'll give the young first fives first go and would only go to DH if they completely self-destruct.
Havilli will be 2nd five,Penny will give Kemera first go I think,If he doesn't step up Reihana will be next option.
They will use Havilli to guide the young First fives from 2nd five,, I think Hotham may be starting HB. -
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Duluth That's a rumour I don't really believe.
I think they'll give the young first fives first go and would only go to DH if they completely self-destruct.
Havilli will be 2nd five,Penny will give Kemera first go I think,If he doesn't step up Reihana will be next option.
They will use Havilli to guide the young First fives from 2nd five,, I think Hotham may be starting HB. -
@Duluth said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Something changed? You were picking DH to be at ten a couple of weeks ago?
Yeah Havilli is not keen on First Five and the thinking is I heard Havilli will be better off guiding the young First five on his outside.
With Heinz really not being able to be carried in 2025 at the age of 38 and Drummond will be 31 then so they need to blood another HB in 2025,
the need is to Start Hotham to get him established, Kemera and Hotham have played a fair bit together at school and NZ u/20s,
so I assume they are hoping there is a ready made connection between the 2. -
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
Once again the Crusaders are the only team really giving young players or talented players new to their squad a proper shot.
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@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
Once again the Crusaders are the only team really giving young players or talented players new to their squad a proper shot.
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
Once again the Crusaders are the only team really giving young players or talented players new to their squad a proper shot.
say what now?
I know most teams will have similar stories but just from the HIghlanders, Millar and withy got starts last year for us
this year, hastie, haig, faleafaga and bell should all get starts, thats just off the top of my head
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@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
Once again the Crusaders are the only team really giving young players or talented players new to their squad a proper shot.
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@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
It will be a bad day for cats then,I will be kicking a few cats if that happens.
@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
It will be a bad day for cats then,I will be kicking a few cats if that happens.
I'll kick some dogs to balance it out. If @MiketheSnow's favourite Morgan makes it I'll kick an elephant.
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@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
Once again the Crusaders are the only team really giving young players or talented players new to their squad a proper shot.
say what now?
I know most teams will have similar stories but just from the HIghlanders, Millar and withy got starts last year for us
this year, hastie, haig, faleafaga and bell should all get starts, thats just off the top of my head
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
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@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
Once again the Crusaders are the only team really giving young players or talented players new to their squad a proper shot.
say what now?
I know most teams will have similar stories but just from the HIghlanders, Millar and withy got starts last year for us
this year, hastie, haig, faleafaga and bell should all get starts, thats just off the top of my head
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
Once again the Crusaders are the only team really giving young players or talented players new to their squad a proper shot.
say what now?
I know most teams will have similar stories but just from the HIghlanders, Millar and withy got starts last year for us
this year, hastie, haig, faleafaga and bell should all get starts, thats just off the top of my head
Two new ABs were pretty much new to SR this year but not from the saders....
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@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
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@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
Yeah, I just meant that the cru are giving opportunities to youngsters in DECISION-MAKING positions (9, 10, 12).
Of course, for every great selection the Crusaders have made over the years, they're also responsible for wacky ideas that were adopted by AB coaches e.g:
Brayden Ennor
Havili at 12
George Bridge as a 1st choice winger -
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
Yeah, I just meant that the cru are giving opportunities to youngsters in DECISION-MAKING positions (9, 10, 12).
Of course, for every great selection the Crusaders have made over the years, they're also responsible for wacky ideas that were adopted by AB coaches e.g:
Brayden Ennor
Havili at 12
George Bridge as a 1st choice winger@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
Yeah, I just meant that the cru are giving opportunities to youngsters in DECISION-MAKING positions (9, 10, 12).
Of course, for every great selection the Crusaders have made over the years, they're also responsible for wacky ideas that were adopted by AB coaches e.g:
Brayden Ennor
Havili at 12
George Bridge as a 1st choice wingerThe Crusaders are not responsible for AB selections that is a stupid statement.
The AB selectors are responsible for wacky ideas as you call it,and there have been plenty of those fuck ups,selections from a lot of teams. -
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
Yeah, I just meant that the cru are giving opportunities to youngsters in DECISION-MAKING positions (9, 10, 12).
Of course, for every great selection the Crusaders have made over the years, they're also responsible for wacky ideas that were adopted by AB coaches e.g:
Brayden Ennor
Havili at 12
George Bridge as a 1st choice wingerThe Crusaders are not responsible for AB selections that is a stupid statement.
The AB selectors are responsible for wacky ideas as you call it,and there have been plenty of those fuck ups,selections from a lot of teams.@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble Two young 1st fives due to start (essentially filling in for another young 10). Cru could've selected 3-4 1st fives in their squad and relegated two of those to the training field, but now Kemara and Reihana know they'll get game time. Possibly McCleod & Aumua (not young, but new to cru) in midfield. I'm biased, bc I don't rate Ennor or Havili there. Hotham at 9. This seems to be the season when they hand over the keys.
….so the crusaders ARE ALSO giving young promising guys a run…rather than the inept ones
Yeah, I just meant that the cru are giving opportunities to youngsters in DECISION-MAKING positions (9, 10, 12).
Of course, for every great selection the Crusaders have made over the years, they're also responsible for wacky ideas that were adopted by AB coaches e.g:
Brayden Ennor
Havili at 12
George Bridge as a 1st choice wingerThe Crusaders are not responsible for AB selections that is a stupid statement.
The AB selectors are responsible for wacky ideas as you call it,and there have been plenty of those fuck ups,selections from a lot of teams.Nope, didn't say Crusaders were responsible for AB selections. The cru management decided on those experiments at super level and then for unknown reasons the AB selectors thought that these same ideas would work at test level.
