All Blacks vs England I
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Am I the only one who thought Christie was alright off the bench? Thought he controlled things and helped us close the game out well.
Just because he doesn't possess Aaron Smith's pass doesn't mean he didn't play well in other areas.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England I:
Am I the only one who thought Christie was alright off the bench? Thought he controlled things and helped us close the game out well.
Just because he doesn't possess Aaron Smith's pass doesn't mean he didn't play well in other areas.
His box kicking was good and the chase (when there was one) put enormous pressure on England. Helped ensure we played in the right part of the field.
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Far prefer us kicking it long.
Most of last 4 years we have been doing own half dinks, hospitals and hail marys -
Was pretty impressed with our high ball receptions.
England kicked a lot (like us) and between Perofeta, Jordie, DMac - we really diffused that tactic.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs England I:
Same the other way D Mac timed out on a sitter
Inexcusable. Did no one in the coaching setup brief the players on the shot-clock?
Both Christie and DMac have cloth ears
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs England I:
Same the other way D Mac timed out on a sitter
Inexcusable. Did no one in the coaching setup brief the players on the shot-clock?
Both Christie and DMac have cloth ears
I reckon Savea is partially deaf, in interviews he is always struggling to hear.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Tordah said in All Blacks vs England I:
bring back foster
And we would lose by 30
If Smith had kicked one of two sitters we would have lost.
Can understand the rust, but any game plan was non-existent and the breakdown work was really, really poor. Robertson might need some time to get his feet under the table, but that was a poor first time out. Expected a bit more tactics-wise.
On the plus side, it might just calm down some of the over-blown hype around the man.
@Victor-Meldrew if Dmac had nailed his we would have won by more
If, but, maybe
Why is this forum so negative
England are a GOOD TEAM -
It would be interesting to see how often we went backwards when the halfback waits for a second before making a choice. England just hammered us anytime we did the out the back move to a. Static forward. We went backwards a lot it seemed.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:
It would be interesting to see how often we went backwards when the halfback waits for a second before making a choice. England just hammered us anytime we did the out the back move to a. Static forward. We went backwards a lot it seemed.
I think that was a massive factor in the game.... Two very similar halves in TJ and Christie.... Cortez will make a big difference imo
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I actually think a tight 1 point win and players being under massive pressure is a really good outcome. It shows exactly where we need to improve. What players need to step uo etc. Had we played Tonga and won by 70 we would be none the wiser.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:
Had we played Tonga and won by 70 we would be none the wiser.
We tonked world No.1, Ireland in the 1st Test in 2022 and no one complained. Worked out well...
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You can tell it's a really poor AB performance when the openside flanker has to go off his line frequently to help clean.
Apart from the scrum, that was a step backwards in every aspect. Little or no effective ball carrying up the middle. No connection between carriers and cleaners. Lots of shit side to side play. Lots of very poor kicking. Defense awful.
Few effective ball carriers in the team, and almost never used them repeatedly up the middle. Like one of those terrible "out-flank them" game plans that got smashed by South Africa in the bad old days.
Very much didn't look like there was any plan to control ball, territory, well anything?
Will have to be a hell of a lot better next week. Looked like a squad who had no idea how to play test rugby.
Finau looked fucking useless out there, but maybe it was just the shit game plan. Our tacklers certainly weren't in the right positions at all, and neither were cleaners.
Way too often we were tackling big English ball-carriers side on, almost like a cover tackle, and giving them plenty of time to get speed up. Really poor.
Of course the reserves looked better, it was an intense first 60 minutes ...
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs England I:
Same the other way D Mac timed out on a sitter
Inexcusable. Did no one in the coaching setup brief the players on the shot-clock?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs England I:
Same the other way D Mac timed out on a sitter
Inexcusable. Did no one in the coaching setup brief the players on the shot-clock?
They should known it would have been on the scoreboard counting down.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England I:
Am I the only one who thought Christie was alright off the bench? Thought he controlled things and helped us close the game out well.
Just because he doesn't possess Aaron Smith's pass doesn't mean he didn't play well in other areas.
His box kicking was good and the chase (when there was one) put enormous pressure on England. Helped ensure we played in the right part of the field.
@antipodean It's the way I saw it too. I thought he was key to us closing it out.
On the Use it penalty, that was just a communication error between him and Savea. Savea probably just didn't hear the ref say use it, and Christie looked like he was expecting Savea to peel off and pass to him. Christie was completely to blame as a lot are pointing out.
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That was a tough test match with a very good English team.
I think they have the right players, and looked like they could break the game open in first half. But, got taught a good lesson in territory management and pressure. This was the teams first run and they will get better. Biggest issue is creating space in midfield. Reiko is not a crash centre.
Scott Barrett picked up from where he was last year - great work rate, low, body position, shifting players. Best player but thought Jordie, Patrick and Sevu also good.
Love Ref’s call on DM another taking penalty quickly enough. He was milking it.
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@Victor-Meldrew if Dmac had nailed his we would have won by more
If, but, maybe
Why is this forum so negative
England are a GOOD TEAM@MadGav said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Victor-Meldrew if Dmac had nailed his we would have won by more
If, but, maybe
Why is this forum so negative
England are a GOOD TEAMI think you are right. And they seem almost likeable!
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On the positive I enjoyed the game and really looking forward to next week. I am confident the coaches will grow over the season and adapt as they go.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:
On the positive I enjoyed the game and really looking forward to next week. I am confident the coaches will grow over the season and adapt as they go.
Proof will be the two match tour in SA. That's judgement right there
