All Blacks vs Fiji
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Lancaster-Park At least the lineout functioned!
Itoje wasn't playing for Fiji, and I don't remember Fiji competing in the lineouts too often. Let's wait until the RC before knowing if the lineout is functioning.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Lancaster-Park At least the lineout functioned!
Itoje wasn't playing for Fiji, and I don't remember Fiji competing in the lineouts too often. Let's wait until the RC before knowing if the (insert aspect of the game) is functioning
This feels like the comment that should be on auto reply to anyone blowing Proctor or any of the players (even my boy ALB).
Fiji barely showed up and had almost no line speed. Unsurprisingly, our backs looked a million dollars with plenty of clean front-foot ball and no rush defence.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Lancaster-Park At least the lineout functioned!
Itoje wasn't playing for Fiji, and I don't remember Fiji competing in the lineouts too often. Let's wait until the RC before knowing if the (insert aspect of the game) is functioning
This feels like the comment that should be on auto reply to anyone blowing Proctor or any of the players (even my boy ALB).
Fiji barely showed up and had almost no line speed. Unsurprisingly, our backs looked a million dollars with plenty of clean front-foot ball and no rush defence.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Lancaster-Park At least the lineout functioned!
Itoje wasn't playing for Fiji, and I don't remember Fiji competing in the lineouts too often. Let's wait until the RC before knowing if the (insert aspect of the game) is functioning
This feels like the comment that should be on auto reply to anyone blowing Proctor or any of the players (even my boy ALB).
Fiji barely showed up and had almost no line speed. Unsurprisingly, our backs looked a million dollars with plenty of clean front-foot ball and no rush defence.
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
He played reasonably well against Fiji
So one rating was 9/10. Another 8/10. Don't agree with all rating but maybe you need to understand centre play better. Or watch more closely
13 Billy Proctor: Player of the match on debut and some warning to Rieko Ioane that his jersey is not safe. Proctor looked potent as if he was going to cut through the defence with every carry, beating eight defenders and nearly making 100 metres with the ball. This all culminated in a try and two try assists for a man who has just made Scott Robertson’s selection process a lot harder. A remarkably good start to his Test career. 9
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
He played reasonably well against Fiji
So one rating was 9/10. Another 8/10. Don't agree with all rating but maybe you need to understand centre play better. Or watch more closely
Given I played at centre more than any other position I feel I understand it well enough.
Again for the slow: It was a game destined to make the All Blacks look competent when contrasted against the England series. The team that played against England would've revelled in the acres of time and space afforded them by Fiji's defence.
But maybe you need to understand rugby better, or watch more closely.
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There are times when I come here and feel like I must have watched a completely different game to others.
Thought Blackadder was good. He showed more running and linking than any loose forward in our first 3 tests. Yes, short of a gallop, but that's to be expected. Yeah, it's only an understrength Fiji. But for chrissakes people are claiming he lost the ball twice because he made ground and the cleaners didn't get there? terrible play getting yourself isolated with all that go-forward that people have been crying out for there mate, better reign it in.
Sititi looked good too, but needs an even stronger disclaimer as that's against an understrength Fiji that were beaten about 40 minutes before he even took the field.
Jacobson won some lineouts; against an understrength Fiji who weren't really competing. Doesn't really strike me as a compelling argument. I don't really see why you would pick all three of Dalton, Cane, Jacobson.
Proctor is getting raved about, but I saw several instances where he didn't find his outsides - pretty similar to those that created discussion of Ioane being dropped last week...against a far better side. I thought he played solidly, and generally a debutante choosing to hang onto the ball rather than throw a pass he's not confident of isn't a bad thing - but fuck me the provincial bias in posting is strong this year.
ALB was good.
Clarke was good.
Aumua was good.
Hope Ratima's head is okay.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
There are times when I come here and feel like I must have watched a completely different game to others.
Thought Blackadder was good. He showed more running and linking than any loose forward in our first 3 tests. Yes, short of a gallop, but that's to be expected. Yeah, it's only an understrength Fiji. But for chrissakes people are claiming he lost the ball twice because he made ground and the cleaners didn't get there? terrible play getting yourself isolated with all that go-forward that people have been crying out for there mate, better reign it in.
Sititi looked good too, but needs an even stronger disclaimer as that's against an understrength Fiji that were beaten about 40 minutes before he even took the field.
Jacobson won some lineouts; against an understrength Fiji who weren't really competing. Doesn't really strike me as a compelling argument. I don't really see why you would pick all three of Dalton, Cane, Jacobson.
Proctor is getting raved about, but I saw several instances where he didn't find his outsides - pretty similar to those that created discussion of Ioane being dropped last week...against a far better side. I thought he played solidly, and generally a debutante choosing to hang onto the ball rather than throw a pass he's not confident of isn't a bad thing - but fuck me the provincial bias in posting is strong this year.
ALB was good.
Clarke was good.
Aumua was good.
Hope Ratima's head is okay.Don't agree with all points, (thought EB was below par) but plenty enough for an upvote.
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Yup, the team who have beaten England and Australia in the last 9 months
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Yup, the team who have beaten England and Australia in the last 9 months
Worth a mention but the gap between the top five and the rest is pretty big these days
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Lancaster-Park At least the lineout functioned!
Itoje wasn't playing for Fiji, and I don't remember Fiji competing in the lineouts too often. Let's wait until the RC before knowing if the (insert aspect of the game) is functioning
This feels like the comment that should be on auto reply to anyone blowing Proctor or any of the players (even my boy ALB).
Fiji barely showed up and had almost no line speed. Unsurprisingly, our backs looked a million dollars with plenty of clean front-foot ball and no rush defence.
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
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@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
He played reasonably well against Fiji
So one rating was 9/10. Another 8/10. Don't agree with all rating but maybe you need to understand centre play better. Or watch more closely
Given I played at centre more than any other position I feel I understand it well enough.
Again for the slow: It was a game destined to make the All Blacks look competent when contrasted against the England series. The team that played against England would've revelled in the acres of time and space afforded them by Fiji's defence.
But maybe you need to understand rugby better, or watch more closely.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
He played reasonably well against Fiji
So one rating was 9/10. Another 8/10. Don't agree with all rating but maybe you need to understand centre play better. Or watch more closely
Given I played at centre more than any other position I feel I understand it well enough.
Again for the slow: **It was a game destined to make the All Blacks look competent when contrasted against the England series * . The team that played against England would've revelled in the acres of time and space afforded them by Fiji's defence. *
But maybe you need to understand rugby better, or watch more closely.
Can sort of agree with this (but that wasn't the issue). But what about Reece. And even in a game like this players can still show skills they have that others lack. Like Proctor and his distribution and decision making. Maybe these will desert Proctor in a tight match but I hope he starts next match so we can see
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@nzzp Pretty much what this thread has become.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nzzp Pretty much what this thread has become.
yeah, yeah I know, but MY posts are awesome and totally right
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If we are going to move RI to the wing ....... which of the four current squad wings does he replace?
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Lancaster-Park At least the lineout functioned!
Itoje wasn't playing for Fiji, and I don't remember Fiji competing in the lineouts too often. Let's wait until the RC before knowing if the (insert aspect of the game) is functioning
This feels like the comment that should be on auto reply to anyone blowing Proctor or any of the players (even my boy ALB).
Fiji barely showed up and had almost no line speed. Unsurprisingly, our backs looked a million dollars with plenty of clean front-foot ball and no rush defence.
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
I thought all the All Blacks played good. But how good was Newell, Williams, Bell, Scott Barrett, Darry, Blackadder, Hotham, Reece
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
I thought all the All Blacks played good. But how good was Newell, Williams, Bell, Scott Barrett, Darry, Blackadder, Hotham, Reece
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
I thought all the All Blacks played good. But how good was Newell, Williams, Bell, Scott Barrett, Darry, Blackadder, Hotham, Reece
Darry?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
I thought all the All Blacks played good. But how good was Newell, Williams, Bell, Scott Barrett, Darry, Blackadder, Hotham, Reece
Darry?
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
I thought all the All Blacks played good. But how good was Newell, Williams, Bell, Scott Barrett, Darry, Blackadder, Hotham, Reece
Darry?
Darry plays for Canterbury?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
I thought all the All Blacks played good. But how good was Newell, Williams, Bell, Scott Barrett, Darry, Blackadder, Hotham, Reece
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
I thought all the All Blacks played good. But how good was Newell, Williams, Bell, Scott Barrett, Darry, Blackadder, Hotham, Reece
Made to look good by their North Island teammates...
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
yeah, yeah I know that, but MY player was amazing! Didn't you see them!
I thought all the All Blacks played good. But how good was Newell, Williams, Bell, Scott Barrett, Darry, Blackadder, Hotham, Reece
Darry?
Darry plays for Canterbury?
@nostrildamus He does, just thought playing for the Blues may have worked against him.
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@nostrildamus He does, just thought playing for the Blues may have worked against him.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus He does, just thought playing for the Blues may have worked against him.
ACT Crusader seems as forgiving as he is open-minded..
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@nostrildamus He does, just thought playing for the Blues may have worked against him.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus He does, just thought playing for the Blues may have worked against him.
Only others would be so provincial…
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
And some of our props were shown up around the field by their replacements, boy we are lucky to have these 4, now to find more locks..
I’m assuming Newell is a terrific scrummager because he offers absolutely nothing else, even by the less than impressive standards of recent AB props.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
And some of our props were shown up around the field by their replacements, boy we are lucky to have these 4, now to find more locks..
I’m assuming Newell is a terrific scrummager because he offers absolutely nothing else, even by the less than impressive standards of recent AB props.
When was the last time you saw Ox Nche, MM, Bongo, Dan Cole et al running through, over and around blokes and putting their centres through half gaps off tips?
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Can either Reiko or Clarke play 14, or can both only play 11?
With Clarke and Reiko you've got two big, very quick wingers.
With Proctor at 13, you've you got his provincial partnership with Jordie and a center who really looks to feed his wingers. Tempting, but probably won't happen.@Frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Can either Reiko or Clarke play 14, or can both only play 11?
With Clarke and Reiko you've got two big, very quick wingers.
With Proctor at 13, you've you got his provincial partnership with Jordie and a center who really looks to feed his wingers. Tempting, but probably won't happen.Telea is a better 14 than 11.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
And some of our props were shown up around the field by their replacements, boy we are lucky to have these 4, now to find more locks..
I’m assuming Newell is a terrific scrummager because he offers absolutely nothing else, even by the less than impressive standards of recent AB props.
When was the last time you saw Ox Nche, MM, Bongo, Dan Cole et al running through, over and around blokes and putting their centres through half gaps off tips?
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
And some of our props were shown up around the field by their replacements, boy we are lucky to have these 4, now to find more locks..
I’m assuming Newell is a terrific scrummager because he offers absolutely nothing else, even by the less than impressive standards of recent AB props.
When was the last time you saw Ox Nche, MM, Bongo, Dan Cole et al running through, over and around blokes and putting their centres through half gaps off tips?
Calm down Lats, I’m not expecting miracles. Just some basic competency.
