Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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I'd be more confident Love 15, Jordan and Reece wings
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@DaGrubster to be fair, Savea isn't that raw.
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@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BorderJB said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Would like to throw a couple things out:
Paps at 8 with Cane and Blackadder, I think as much as Blackadder doesn't dominate, he's goes well with a Cane like player.
Having Paps at 8 gives us more options as a link player in the middle, as well as a ball runner in the wider channels.Also changes around 9,10,12: At the moment it looks like theres too many leaders or playmakers, it looks a bit confusing, Ratima would be a more passing half to let Dmac run things and outside him ALB as a non playmaking 12.
While the backline went well in certain areas against SA, We need to get more out of it.Never mind a bit of lateral thinking but the practical reality is that your suggestions are dropping the two vice captains.
Also, not sure how much practice Papaliāi has at trapping the ball at a scrum, running off the base, linking with the halfback. Also heās very rarely used as a lineout option and at 8 we need an option (which Ardie provides).
He played once there for the Blues last season against the Highlanders and had an absolute mare. It was actually comical watching him attempt to play 8, similar to some of the opinions on here of late.
Yeah I do recall him being there and itās just not his thing. Where as someone like Messam it was a pretty natural switch from 8 to 6 and vice versa. Chris Masoe was also a very decent 7 that was a better no8.
Papalii is an interesting case because he's built like a 6/8 but only plays as a 7. Technically he's very good at all aspects as a 7, but he lacks the bulk and power to play anywhere else, especially on the carry.
He reminds me of the northern hemisphere loosies of the 2010s Chris Robshaw and Sam Warburton.
Warburton is a very good comparison.
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BorderJB said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Would like to throw a couple things out:
Paps at 8 with Cane and Blackadder, I think as much as Blackadder doesn't dominate, he's goes well with a Cane like player.
Having Paps at 8 gives us more options as a link player in the middle, as well as a ball runner in the wider channels.Also changes around 9,10,12: At the moment it looks like theres too many leaders or playmakers, it looks a bit confusing, Ratima would be a more passing half to let Dmac run things and outside him ALB as a non playmaking 12.
While the backline went well in certain areas against SA, We need to get more out of it.Never mind a bit of lateral thinking but the practical reality is that your suggestions are dropping the two vice captains.
Also, not sure how much practice Papaliāi has at trapping the ball at a scrum, running off the base, linking with the halfback. Also heās very rarely used as a lineout option and at 8 we need an option (which Ardie provides).
He played once there for the Blues last season against the Highlanders and had an absolute mare. It was actually comical watching him attempt to play 8, similar to some of the opinions on here of late.
Yeah I do recall him being there and itās just not his thing. Where as someone like Messam it was a pretty natural switch from 8 to 6 and vice versa. Chris Masoe was also a very decent 7 that was a better no8.
Papalii is an interesting case because he's built like a 6/8 but only plays as a 7. Technically he's very good at all aspects as a 7, but he lacks the bulk and power to play anywhere else, especially on the carry.
He reminds me of the northern hemisphere loosies of the 2010s Chris Robshaw and Sam Warburton.
Warburton is a very good comparison.
Yes Warburton was a great player and leader
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@chchfanatic said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Vaai
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Ratima
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan
16 Aumua
17 Ofa
18 Newell
19 Darry
20 Jacobsen
21 TJP
22 Barrett
23 ALBBlackadder injured?
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@chchfanatic said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Vaai
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Ratima
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan
16 Aumua
17 Ofa
18 Newell
19 Darry
20 Jacobsen
21 TJP
22 Barrett
23 ALBBlackadder injured?
Tripped over tackle bag.
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@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@chchfanatic said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Vaai
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Ratima
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan
16 Aumua
17 Ofa
18 Newell
19 Darry
20 Jacobsen
21 TJP
22 Barrett
23 ALBBlackadder injured?
Tripped over tackle bag.
@Victor-Meldrew mustāve been unmarked with the line at its mercyā¦
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@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BorderJB said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Would like to throw a couple things out:
Paps at 8 with Cane and Blackadder, I think as much as Blackadder doesn't dominate, he's goes well with a Cane like player.
Having Paps at 8 gives us more options as a link player in the middle, as well as a ball runner in the wider channels.Also changes around 9,10,12: At the moment it looks like theres too many leaders or playmakers, it looks a bit confusing, Ratima would be a more passing half to let Dmac run things and outside him ALB as a non playmaking 12.
While the backline went well in certain areas against SA, We need to get more out of it.Never mind a bit of lateral thinking but the practical reality is that your suggestions are dropping the two vice captains.
Also, not sure how much practice Papaliāi has at trapping the ball at a scrum, running off the base, linking with the halfback. Also heās very rarely used as a lineout option and at 8 we need an option (which Ardie provides).
He played once there for the Blues last season against the Highlanders and had an absolute mare. It was actually comical watching him attempt to play 8, similar to some of the opinions on here of late.
Yeah I do recall him being there and itās just not his thing. Where as someone like Messam it was a pretty natural switch from 8 to 6 and vice versa. Chris Masoe was also a very decent 7 that was a better no8.
Papalii is an interesting case because he's built like a 6/8 but only plays as a 7. Technically he's very good at all aspects as a 7, but he lacks the bulk and power to play anywhere else, especially on the carry.
He reminds me of the northern hemisphere loosies of the 2010s Chris Robshaw and Sam Warburton.
Warburton is a very good comparison.
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BorderJB said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Would like to throw a couple things out:
Paps at 8 with Cane and Blackadder, I think as much as Blackadder doesn't dominate, he's goes well with a Cane like player.
Having Paps at 8 gives us more options as a link player in the middle, as well as a ball runner in the wider channels.Also changes around 9,10,12: At the moment it looks like theres too many leaders or playmakers, it looks a bit confusing, Ratima would be a more passing half to let Dmac run things and outside him ALB as a non playmaking 12.
While the backline went well in certain areas against SA, We need to get more out of it.Never mind a bit of lateral thinking but the practical reality is that your suggestions are dropping the two vice captains.
Also, not sure how much practice Papaliāi has at trapping the ball at a scrum, running off the base, linking with the halfback. Also heās very rarely used as a lineout option and at 8 we need an option (which Ardie provides).
He played once there for the Blues last season against the Highlanders and had an absolute mare. It was actually comical watching him attempt to play 8, similar to some of the opinions on here of late.
Yeah I do recall him being there and itās just not his thing. Where as someone like Messam it was a pretty natural switch from 8 to 6 and vice versa. Chris Masoe was also a very decent 7 that was a better no8.
Papalii is an interesting case because he's built like a 6/8 but only plays as a 7. Technically he's very good at all aspects as a 7, but he lacks the bulk and power to play anywhere else, especially on the carry.
He reminds me of the northern hemisphere loosies of the 2010s Chris Robshaw and Sam Warburton.
Warburton is a very good comparison.
I prefer Sean O'Brien as a comparison.
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Judging by rugby twitter, the mantle of guardians of the game has definitely been passed from the ABs to the Boks. The condescension levels from SA fans for NZ rugby are off the scale. It is a far cry from the days of conspiracy theories and ref bashing that SA fans excelled at. Delicious! Enjoy the time at the top Bok fans. Eras end
FWIW, the Bok fans on this forum are modest and knowledgeable in comparison to a good number of their countrymen and women. I enjoy their posts and humour.
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Judging by rugby twitter, the mantle of guardians of the game has definitely been passed from the ABs to the Boks. The condescension levels from SA fans for NZ rugby are off the scale. It is a far cry from the days of conspiracy theories and ref bashing that SA fans excelled at. Delicious! Enjoy the time at the top Bok fans. Eras end
FWIW, the Bok fans on this forum are modest and knowledgeable in comparison to a good number of their countrymen and women. I enjoy their posts and humour.
@stodders I'll never forget the 2011 RWC when I was with an Afrikaans meisie and we had several guests around watching the games. The crowing from the SA fellas when they trounced Namibia was a bit puzzling, but then they disappeared when we folded France. How bizarre.
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Judging by rugby twitter, the mantle of guardians of the game has definitely been passed from the ABs to the Boks. The condescension levels from SA fans for NZ rugby are off the scale. It is a far cry from the days of conspiracy theories and ref bashing that SA fans excelled at. Delicious! Enjoy the time at the top Bok fans. Eras end
FWIW, the Bok fans on this forum are modest and knowledgeable in comparison to a good number of their countrymen and women. I enjoy their posts and humour.
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Judging by rugby twitter, the mantle of guardians of the game has definitely been passed from the ABs to the Boks. The condescension levels from SA fans for NZ rugby are off the scale. It is a far cry from the days of conspiracy theories and ref bashing that SA fans excelled at. Delicious! Enjoy the time at the top Bok fans. Eras end
FWIW, the Bok fans on this forum are modest and knowledgeable in comparison to a good number of their countrymen and women. I enjoy their posts and humour.
There has been a tonne of SA fans jumping onto the Boks bandwagon after b2b world cups. Good for SA but insufferable for others. As their are literally millions of them!!
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Judging by rugby twitter, the mantle of guardians of the game has definitely been passed from the ABs to the Boks. The condescension levels from SA fans for NZ rugby are off the scale. It is a far cry from the days of conspiracy theories and ref bashing that SA fans excelled at. Delicious! Enjoy the time at the top Bok fans. Eras end
FWIW, the Bok fans on this forum are modest and knowledgeable in comparison to a good number of their countrymen and women. I enjoy their posts and humour.
There has been a tonne of SA fans jumping onto the Boks bandwagon after b2b world cups. Good for SA but insufferable for others. As their are literally millions of them!!
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Judging by rugby twitter, the mantle of guardians of the game has definitely been passed from the ABs to the Boks. The condescension levels from SA fans for NZ rugby are off the scale. It is a far cry from the days of conspiracy theories and ref bashing that SA fans excelled at. Delicious! Enjoy the time at the top Bok fans. Eras end
FWIW, the Bok fans on this forum are modest and knowledgeable in comparison to a good number of their countrymen and women. I enjoy their posts and humour.
There has been a tonne of SA fans jumping onto the Boks bandwagon after b2b world cups. Good for SA but insufferable for others. As their are literally millions of them!!
many of them are only vaguely acquainted with the rules of rugby.
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1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Vaai
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Ratima
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan
16 Aumua
17 Ofa
18 Newell
19 Darry
20 Jacobsen
21 TJP
22 Barrett
23 ALB@chchfanatic said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Vaai
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Ratima
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan
16 Aumua
17 Ofa
18 Newell
19 Darry
20 Jacobsen
21 TJP
22 Barrett
23 ALBAs Raz's barber, do you have any insight into Paps's thumb?
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Who is Raz?
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Who is Raz?
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@pakman cool nickname. Youāve nicknamed a nicknamed. Dalton is fine. Just a shit blues player.
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Judging by rugby twitter, the mantle of guardians of the game has definitely been passed from the ABs to the Boks. The condescension levels from SA fans for NZ rugby are off the scale. It is a far cry from the days of conspiracy theories and ref bashing that SA fans excelled at. Delicious! Enjoy the time at the top Bok fans. Eras end
FWIW, the Bok fans on this forum are modest and knowledgeable in comparison to a good number of their countrymen and women. I enjoy their posts and humour.
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Judging by rugby twitter, the mantle of guardians of the game has definitely been passed from the ABs to the Boks. The condescension levels from SA fans for NZ rugby are off the scale. It is a far cry from the days of conspiracy theories and ref bashing that SA fans excelled at. Delicious! Enjoy the time at the top Bok fans. Eras end
FWIW, the Bok fans on this forum are modest and knowledgeable in comparison to a good number of their countrymen and women. I enjoy their posts and humour.
I've noticed some of the Bokke posters on here make up their own memories and believe them on recall.
For example dropping the ball before the try line , not having control but it's ok as it's still a try. -
Is Sititi starting
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1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Vaai
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Ratima
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan
16 Aumua
17 Ofa
18 Newell
19 Darry
20 Jacobsen
21 TJP
22 Barrett
23 ALB@chchfanatic said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Vaai
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Ratima
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan
16 Aumua
17 Ofa
18 Newell
19 Darry
20 Jacobsen
21 TJP
22 Barrett
23 ALBthis is the same team I was provided by a very reliable source too. Very interesting
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Yes I've already said he had a good workrate.
PsDT, Kaino and Juan Smith all had good workrates but they hit hard and thats the difference. These are the last three blindsides to win World Cups. Do you honestly believe that Blackadder has the upside of these players?
He's never going to be a world class blindside. There are players in NZ with the potential to be that. Finau certainly has the athletic ability he just needs some consistent opportunity and guidance. He did well enough against England and should have been persevered with.
So he's not as good as 3 of the best ever so shouldn't play.
If that's your logic, how are we going to even field a team?The point being, he had access to Akira who everybody knows has the talent to be world class, in career best form, who also absolutely dominated the SR finals. Instead he picked a guy that has spent most of his career injured, and two rookies that Akira dominated in the final which is the closest thing we have to test footy at that level. So yes, when we watch Blackadder struggling to make an impact, we become critical.
I'm becoming a broken record on this so will try and make this my last post, but the Blues backrow dominated Super rugby and were influential in the finals. It absolutely pains me that we not only left out 2 of them all together, but it's now become an area of significant weakness for us.
Running riot in sevens is no guarantee of 15s dominance.
But yeah, he should have been picked.
He should have picked the form players Sotutu and Akira, then if they failed he could say "see?!" and bin them and no one would have any complaints, or if they ripped up trees as per SR he would have been able to ride them to some wins and look like a genius. Just a no brainer. But instead he picks a bunch of players who seem on the way down since 23, a couple of long shots from the team that got pumped by the eventual winners of SR, and some Saders who most would argue didn't earn their place on SR form and lacked miles. What a glut for punishment he is
With Akira he had a number of chances over a number of years so maybe they thought he wasnāt going to cut it at test level - even though his game this season was more suited to test rugby than it ever has been.
Sotutu is a bit different in that he clearly did everything he could have in responding to being dropped unceremoniously last year. He should have been back in based on his form and also as an example to others - ā you listen to our feedback and fix what we ask and you are still a chanceā. Now why would anyone think they can get back in to the side because if the super MVP canāt.
Furthermore, his replacement is too raw to get any meaningful minutes.
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Yes I've already said he had a good workrate.
PsDT, Kaino and Juan Smith all had good workrates but they hit hard and thats the difference. These are the last three blindsides to win World Cups. Do you honestly believe that Blackadder has the upside of these players?
He's never going to be a world class blindside. There are players in NZ with the potential to be that. Finau certainly has the athletic ability he just needs some consistent opportunity and guidance. He did well enough against England and should have been persevered with.
So he's not as good as 3 of the best ever so shouldn't play.
If that's your logic, how are we going to even field a team?The point being, he had access to Akira who everybody knows has the talent to be world class, in career best form, who also absolutely dominated the SR finals. Instead he picked a guy that has spent most of his career injured, and two rookies that Akira dominated in the final which is the closest thing we have to test footy at that level. So yes, when we watch Blackadder struggling to make an impact, we become critical.
I'm becoming a broken record on this so will try and make this my last post, but the Blues backrow dominated Super rugby and were influential in the finals. It absolutely pains me that we not only left out 2 of them all together, but it's now become an area of significant weakness for us.
Running riot in sevens is no guarantee of 15s dominance.
But yeah, he should have been picked.
He should have picked the form players Sotutu and Akira, then if they failed he could say "see?!" and bin them and no one would have any complaints, or if they ripped up trees as per SR he would have been able to ride them to some wins and look like a genius. Just a no brainer. But instead he picks a bunch of players who seem on the way down since 23, a couple of long shots from the team that got pumped by the eventual winners of SR, and some Saders who most would argue didn't earn their place on SR form and lacked miles. What a glut for punishment he is
With Akira he had a number of chances over a number of years so maybe they thought he wasnāt going to cut it at test level - even though his game this season was more suited to test rugby than it ever has been.
Sotutu is a bit different in that he clearly did everything he could have in responding to being dropped unceremoniously last year. He should have been back in based on his form and also as an example to others - ā you listen to our feedback and fix what we ask and you are still a chanceā. Now why would anyone think they can get back in to the side because if the super MVP canāt.
Furthermore, his replacement is too raw to get any meaningful minutes.
My biggest concern with the Hoskins scenario , is he through not being selected , walks out the door and plays for England, and that comes back to bite us on the arse .
Not a prediction, but I think itās a real possibility, he has a rare skill set.
